Bodyweight HLR vs Ab Wheel

[John Crotty]

Hello all,
Which is a more challenging exercise, a toes to bar HLR, or a full range of motion on an ab wheel?

Thank you,
John Crotty

 

[jayjo]

Guy at work told me he tore 2 hernias using Ab Wheel.

 

[John Crotty]

Guy at work told me he tore 2 hernias using Ab Wheel.

Is "guy at work" using good technique and adhering to principles such as the ones promoted by strong first?

 

[Nate]

I do both but see them as challenging in different ways enough that I could see people on either side. I was able to do quality ab wheel before I could do strict HLR.

 

[Steve Freides]

IMO, kneeling ab wheel is easiest, then HLR, then standing Evil Wheel.

There are technique things to know about how to do both versions of the Wheel that, if properly executed, will make the exercise more effective - harder, but more effect (and since we train for the effect it yields ...)

-S-

 

[John Crotty]

IMO, kneeling ab wheel is easiest, then HLR, then standing Evil Wheel.

There are technique things to know about how to do both versions of the Wheel that, if properly executed, will make the exercise more effective - harder, but more effect (and since we train for the effect it yields ...)

-S-

Thanks, Steve. That is the answer I was looking for. Evil Wheel vs HLR was what I wanted to know, but forgot the terminology.

 

[John Crotty]

Thanks, Steve. That is the answer I was looking for. Evil Wheel vs HLR was what I wanted to know, but forgot the terminology.

 

[John Crotty]

Thanks, Steve. That is the answer I was looking for. Evil Wheel vs HLR was what I wanted to know, but forgot the terminology.

IMO, kneeling ab wheel is easiest, then HLR, then standing Evil Wheel.

There are technique things to know about how to do both versions of the Wheel that, if properly executed, will make the exercise more effective - harder, but more effect (and since we train for the effect it yields ...)

-S-

Also, do you have a resource I can use to learn those techniques?

 

[pet']

Hello,

These are different moves:
HLR is a flexion exercise whereas the ab wheel is an anti extension.

Therefore, I would rather ask myself what is the most valuable move for my goal

Kind regards,

Pet'

 

[BJJ Shawn]

IMO, kneeling ab wheel is easiest, then HLR, then standing Evil Wheel.

This has been my experience as well. I can do kneeling ab wheel for around 10 reps nose to floor, and HLR for around 3-4 reps. I have yet to sniff a standing ab wheel rollout.

 

[Steve Freides]

Also, do you have a resource I can use to learn those techniques?

I have posted about it here before - if anyone can find it, that would be a good starting point; otherwise, I'll write something up and try to post it in the next day or two.

I should also mention that Pavel's had, if memory serves, 3 ab books. Titles: Beyond Crunches, Bullet-Proof Abs, and Hard Style Abs. At least one of those talked about this. I think I have all three titles here - if I can find some time tomorrow, I'll see if I can dig up the part about the ab wheel.

-S-

 

[Adachi]

Also, do you have a resource I can use to learn those techniques?

Titles: Beyond Crunches, Bullet-Proof Abs, and Hard Style Abs. At least one of those talked about this

I can vouch for Hard Style Abs detailing the hanging leg raise

 

[Steve Freides]

I can vouch for Hard Style Abs detailing the hanging leg raise

I think we’re looking for wheel rollouts.

-S-

 

[solarbear]

what is the most valuable move for my goal

Whichever is better for building magazine cut Abs that attract the girls?

 

[Mark Limbaga]

I do both...

The kneeling ab wheel teaches you to use the hip and the abs as brakes..

When you build more hip mobility, you get to squeeze mo out of the HLR in my experience

 

[GreeneMachine]

Whichever is better for building magazine cut Abs that attract the girls?

Keep the body fat down and do both, but this will get you in a bad area on the hot crazy matrix.

 

[Stefan Olsson]

Whichever is better for building magazine cut Abs that attract the girls?

3x8 fork put downs supersetted with 3x12 table push-aways.

 

[Steve Freides]

I do both...

The kneeling ab wheel teaches you to use the hip and the abs as brakes..

When you build more hip mobility, you get to squeeze mo out of the HLR in my experience

Interesting! Can you say a bit more on this? I can’t do the kneeling version thanks to a few decades of running in poor form. (Well, I sometimes do on or two to demo for a student but then I have sore knees for at least a few days afterwards.)

-S-

 

[MikeL]

Hip/hammie mobility and flexibility is my limiting factor in either case; I cannot execute these in anywhere near good enough form to be able to judge a preference and have to do either kneeling roll outs or “toes to bar” - distinctly without straight legs.

 

[pet']

Hello @MikeL

Could this help you ?


Kind regards,

Pet'