Carl in Dover
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Would not a good substitute for the bench press be a "declined pushup "?
Carl in Dover
Carl in Dover
Diet advice is totally different from the "gain as much fat/mass/muscle as possible, drink a gallon of milk, etc" advice of SS.
In the Starting Strength system, severely underweight young males who both want and need to be bigger - AND ONLY INDIVIDUALS WHO FIT THAT DESCRIPTION - are encouraged to work up to drinking a gallon of whole milk a day
As for the more general "gain as much fat/mass/muscle as possible" that too, is baseless. Nobody at Starting Strength wants you to get fat.
I guess I'd like to believe there aren't only two options. Weak and scrawny or fat and strong. I think you can have a balance without either extreme where you can be very strong, but still in excellent shape.If this process of adding amounts of weight to the bar that dwarf anything else in existence causes some mantis-looking kid to lose his abs enroute to a 365x5x3 squat and a 405x5 deadlift and a 185x5x3 Press - I seriously doubt that will bother him much.
has said elsewhere that a grown man shouldn’t weigh less than 200lb.
It’s a total “Rip-ism”. Article where it appears is “Maybe You Should GAIN Weight”. Says: “Bigger and stronger is better than being underweight”. He is from Texas, and they say everything is bigger in Texas!Not directed at you Sean...But to the forum in general.
What's the reason and logic behind this statement?
So its like Homer Simpson saying "it's like rama langa ding dong, and give peace a chance, it doesn't mean anything "It’s a total “Rip-ism”. Article where it appears is “Maybe You Should GAIN Weight”. Says: “Bigger and stronger is better than being underweight”. He is from Texas, and they say everything is bigger in Texas!
I guess I'd like to believe there aren't only two options. Weak and scrawny or fat and strong. I think you can have a balance without either extreme where you can be very strong, but still in excellent shape.
Regardless, I sure believe 2400 extra liquid calories a day, of which 840 come purely from sugar, will put weight on anybody. Even if you're a hard gainer, a significant portion will be fat. I'm not sure why it's so controversial to advice a bit more conservative strategy 0_0
It’s a total “Rip-ism”. Article where it appears is “Maybe You Should GAIN Weight”. Says: “Bigger and stronger is better than being underweight”. He is from Texas, and they say everything is bigger in Texas!
I agree with this, and I have struggled with losing weight my whole life. However, I do agree with him that becoming strong is the best way to have a reasonable body fat %.Except fat loss is not necessarily easy for every person, and it gets even trickier if you want to lose fat while preserving the muscle mass you've gained. But this particular point is not even addressed.
especially for someone like me that's not a total beginner and has already built a healthy amount of lean mass from strength training.
I'm confused as to how you built so much lean mass without ever previously running NLP ;]
I want to know where are all these "severely underweight" young males?
@Anna C I reckon within 6 months you'll be drinking milk by the gallon and chewing tobacco.
And yes, the SS program seems to work for obese people too... These are the ONLY people they claim can actually lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, and only for a little while.