Kettlebell Kettlebell AXE - general discussion

[Dann]

I have never read a Pavel/strongfirst issued book/article that there wasn't something to take away from it. I believe if you look at the swings as a method used on a principle you apply it as it fits for you. To quote Ralph Emerson-
"As to methods there may be a million and then some, but principles are few. The man who grasps principles can successfully select his own methods. The man who tries methods, ignoring principles, is sure to have trouble."

 

[silveraw]

So the programs are swing only?

Various other plyometric movements are listed as inspiration.
I'd venture to guess many power movements/ quick lifts could be adapted to the protocol. Sprints, sandbag throws, bodyweight movements, etc.

 

[silveraw]

I have a sneaking suspicion. cut the sets and reps in half and see what happens with a slow lift....

I think Mr Motz's AA squats might look an awful lot like Metal Heart.

 

[silveraw]

Probably a dumb question but, is this the new book on A+A we’ve been hearing about? I’m slightly confused and really curious about A+A.

It is indeed the long awaited A+A book. He renamed A+A to AXE.

 

[Pavel]

Ladies and gentlemen,

Thank you for your kind words about my new book!

Paperbacks will be available soon.

I am about to go over this thread and answer questions.

If you have read the book, please post a review on Amazon. Thank you.

 

[Pavel]

Not quite sure though, if one does the Get Ups on the same day, or a different day. But let's start with a day after. And maybe do 'Regimen day #3' as S&S total.

Tjerr, good choices.

 

[Pavel]

I have a sneaking suspicion. cut the sets and reps in half and see what happens with a slow lift....

Adachi, more or less. This is is Strength Aerobics.

You might have to cut the reps even more because "grinds" impede circulation.

 

[Pavel]

I would agree, To taking the getups on a separate day. Something like...

Monday AXE
Tuesday Getup
Thursday AXE
Friday Getup

Adachi, a solid schedule.

Plus an optional swing day on Saturday.

 

[Pavel]

Another masterpiece by Pavel T.

Vojtakubi, thank you!

i would say that The Quick and Dead is prerequisite for reading before this. Not because you wouldn’t understand the point but because it is highly complementary.

Complimentary but not prerequsite.

Also, Q&D is an advanced protocol; AXE works for everyone past beginner to world class.

 

[Pavel]

I enjoyed it, but it was so comprehensive it made my head spin. My problem with SF books are always that they're extremely minimalist and then i struggle to apply them to my goal lifts

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3letterslong, no matter what your goals are, always start with minimalism, then add according to your needs.

Generally speaking, when pursuing multiple goals, it is best to focus on 1-2 at a time and maintain the rest with easy once a week sessions. Then change the focus.

 

[Pavel]

There is a comment: do not limit AXE to just training swings. And, the jerk is mentioned as an option. So, I bet there are other things that fit the paradigm (especially quick lifts). But, you gotta be proficient in the lift. Eg. if you can pass the SFG 1 snatch test, snatch is on the table.

Exactly, Adachi.

 

[Pavel]

Various other plyometric movements are listed as inspiration.
I'd venture to guess many power movements/ quick lifts could be adapted to the protocol. Sprints, sandbag throws, bodyweight movements, etc.

Silveraw, correct. Not "plyometric" but explosive.

 

[vojtakubi]

Vojtakubi, thank you!

Complimentary but not prerequsite.

Also, Q&D is an advanced protocol; AXE works for everyone past beginner to world class.

I meant it as a reading prerequsite, because of the knowledge in QnD book. But deffinetly this book is full of gold standalone.

 

[3letterslong]

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3letterslong, no matter what your goals are, always start with minimalism, then add according to your needs.

Generally speaking, when pursuing multiple goals, it is best to focus on 1-2 at a time and maintain the rest with easy once a week sessions. Then change the focus.

Thank you so much for replying! Your "Workout Of The Decade" article has become my manifesto and I've always struggled to slot Strongfirst programs into it, but I think for the next few months I'm going to go heavy on AXE swings while maintaining everything else.

I wish I had known you were going to read this because I definitely would have chosen my words better so it didn't sound like I was criticizing you. I was just kind of thinking out loud -- I've always been a fan and benefited massively from your writings! I also regret typing out my workouts because I'm sure they gave you heart palpitations lol.

 

[TobyC]

Binge read this last night, good book. Just curious as to why this program can be applied to single kb jerks but not doubles?

 

[Pavel]

Thank you so much for replying! Your "Workout Of The Decade" article has become my manifesto and I've always struggled to slot Strongfirst programs into it, but I think for the next few months I'm going to go heavy on AXE swings while maintaining everything else.

I wish I had known you were going to read this because I definitely would have chosen my words better so it didn't sound like I was criticizing you. I was just kind of thinking out loud -- I've always been a fan and benefited massively from your writings! I also regret typing out my workouts because I'm sure they gave you heart palpitations lol.

Thank you, 3letterslong.

I did not take it as criticism but I welcome criticism as well.

I do not have a heart, thus, no palpitations.

 

[Pavel]

Binge read this last night, good book. Just curious as to why this program can be applied to single kb jerks but not doubles?

Toby, because doubles are far more demanding and need different reps and timing.

The PDF that comes with this video will teach you how:

Kettlebell StrongFirst by Pavel Tsatsouline

The Russian kettlebell is the answer to all your strength and conditioning questions—when wielded skillfully and with expert programming by #1 authority Pavel Tsatsouline!-PRODUCT INCLUDES VIDEO & E-BOOK The Swing—for “hips and grips” The Get-Up—“No-one could hold me down” plus bullet-proof...

bjjfanatics.com

 

[Adam R Mundorf]

I would agree, To taking the getups on a separate day. Something like...

Monday AXE
Tuesday Getup
Thursday AXE
Friday Getup

That looks like the etk program minimum.

 

[Pavel]

That looks like the etk program minimum.

Adam, for someone competent at swings, it can certainly serve as a program minimum.

 

[TobyC]

Toby, because doubles are far more demanding and need different reps and timing.

The PDF that comes with this video will teach you how:

Kettlebell StrongFirst by Pavel Tsatsouline

The Russian kettlebell is the answer to all your strength and conditioning questions—when wielded skillfully and with expert programming by #1 authority Pavel Tsatsouline!-PRODUCT INCLUDES VIDEO & E-BOOK The Swing—for “hips and grips” The Get-Up—“No-one could hold me down” plus bullet-proof...

bjjfanatics.com

Thank you, that's going on the list