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@jmmiller41385 yeah that sounds right. I’m just lazy so I don’t typically try to push that many reps in a single session.

The Giant 3.0 is more strength based and calls to use your 5rm for the cl and press so naturally the amount of sets I could get in for the times stated in the program were not going to be super high. I remember Geoff Neupert making a post about how he felt was the best way to approach the program was to do:

Week 1: light
Week 2: medium so try to get a couple more sets than the previous week
Week 3: hard
Week 4: deload

Are you competing in jiu jitsu?
I did a tournament in August of last year. The original plan was to do one about twice a year. That fell through life happened. I still have a voucher for a tournament that I plan on taking advantage of but not sure past that. I am going to revisit my BJJ participation after the first of the year. I have some commitments that end at the end of the year and should have some more time.....in theory.
 

The first video was my second set all the way through. The video above is my second to last set. I wore weightlifting shoes. Thought they helped with the squats.The picture is my whiteboard of final rep tally and time. Thanks for taking a look and any feedback.
 

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What's good..

You aren't doing anything alarming that is an accident waiting to happen so now we can work on making it better..

I'd like you to "zip up" when you clean the bells, pause for a split second then press..

Same with the squat, pause a split second at the bottom..

Now I re-read your original post, you can finish up maximorum then retest your clean and press max then go from there..

What I would do is probably schedule a session either in person or virtual with an instructor just to touch up your form further so you minimize any strength being left on the table..

Appreciate you posting your vids.. hope I was able to be helpful
 
Spot on from @Mark Limbaga as always. @jmmiller41385 Your progress is great and you have good programming questions, I know you'll go far! You're getting all the work and conditioning out your kettlebell training and you have good questions and thoughts on programming. But you'll be amazed at how much more you can get out of training in terms of strength, power, movement quality, "rebuilding the chassis" as my original coach @Al Ciampa calls it with some focus on technique.

Check out how beneficial one member found it to be to have some online sessions: Kettlebell - Progression/Appreciation Post
 
You seem to be counting fine. Did you do a test with 24s prior to running the program? Or after? And I want to be clear I’m not saying your high numbers are bad, just that I would encourage someone with such high numbers to test the next bell up if possible. Some folks just seem to get a ton of reps per session, and some get a lot less, so its not really a comparison.

Awesome job! Also if you’re going to run Giant next, you can always run giant single bell - IF you want to run 3.0 (5RM) with a heavier bell.

Ok great, equipment definitely doesn’t seem to be a limiting factor. Some folks (me in the past) have bells in one place and barbells another and putting together a program with both can be tricky.

I love 5/3/1, but my understanding from you post is you wanted to do Giant (3 days a week of clean and press) and then supplement it with deadlifts and barbell overhead presses following the 5/3/1 template. I don't think that would work with the presses - too much pressing. You could (I wouldn't necessarily suggest it) do Giant 2x a week and press 5/3/1 1x a week, but if you're going to be adding pressing you're going to take some pressing out somewhere else.

Adding squats and deadlifts to Giant is a lot more straightforward, as it becomes more about time available, fatigue management, deciding what is your priority, and learning how to do enough of the "extra" work without taking away from the main work.

To be honest, this is less about learning how to use kettlebells and more about "program smashing." We can totally cook up a program that does kettlebell clean and presses + barbell work (including barbell pressing), and we can use the autoregulated density style training of Giant with the 5/3/1 of barbells, but I think I would cap pressing days to 3x a week, so it would look more like ...

Giant Session 1Giant Session 25/3/1 Press Session
Giant Session 3Giant Session 15/3/1 Press Session
Giant Session 2Giant Session 35/3/1 Press Session

This means one block of Giant would take 6 weeks. You could obviously shuffle sessions around in a week, but the gist stays the same. Then for adding squats/deadlifts it has more to do with time available and desired frequency (both how many total sessions per week, how many times you want to squat/deadlift per week, and whether due to time/energy the squat/deadlift sessions need to be separate form your Giant/Pressing sessions or if they can done "on top of" the existing framework.


Always happy to help. :) Hopefully I'm understanding your goals/desires and am being clear.
So I am trying to figure out a couple of pieces of the puzzle. I am likely going to do the Kettlebell work in the mornings prior to going to work. Then do the barbell work in the evenings when I get home. I am thinking that two of these types of sessions is probably more appropriate. Given what you are saying I am thinking I am probably getting enough overhead pressing with the Giant and would likely just leave the presses out of the 5/3/1 setup and just add in squats and deadlifts. A week would probably look something like this. Also to consider is that I will likely do the Giant for 20 minute sessions. I was thinking about amping this up, but I think adding in the barbell work will be enough to start with.

Monday - Giant Session 1 AM 5/3/1 Squat PM
Tuesday - OFF
Wednesday Giant Session 2 AM
Thursday -OFF
Friday Giant Session 3 AM 5/3/1 Deadlift PM
Saturday - OFF (possible Jiu Jitsu Open Mat)
Sunday - OFF

Also to consider is that I will likely do the Giant for 20 minute sessions. I was thinking about amping this up, but I think adding in the barbell work will be enough to start with.
 
When I ran Giant I ran my squat days on my days off from Giant and it worked pretty well for me. (Giant three days per week and squatting two-three days per week) I’m surprised you have appetite for deadlifts with Giant, my hinge pattern and upper back would get fairly torched from Giant. Also anecdotally my deadlift did fine with just Giant, I got back to my lifetime PR (385) with just C&P and squat after not deadlifting for 15 months

If your body can handle the volume, god bless and soldier on! But you won’t know until you try.
 
So I am trying to figure out a couple of pieces of the puzzle. I am likely going to do the Kettlebell work in the mornings prior to going to work. Then do the barbell work in the evenings when I get home. I am thinking that two of these types of sessions is probably more appropriate. Given what you are saying I am thinking I am probably getting enough overhead pressing with the Giant and would likely just leave the presses out of the 5/3/1 setup and just add in squats and deadlifts. A week would probably look something like this. Also to consider is that I will likely do the Giant for 20 minute sessions. I was thinking about amping this up, but I think adding in the barbell work will be enough to start with.

Monday - Giant Session 1 AM 5/3/1 Squat PM
Tuesday - OFF
Wednesday Giant Session 2 AM
Thursday -OFF
Friday Giant Session 3 AM 5/3/1 Deadlift PM
Saturday - OFF (possible Jiu Jitsu Open Mat)
Sunday - OFF

Also to consider is that I will likely do the Giant for 20 minute sessions. I was thinking about amping this up, but I think adding in the barbell work will be enough to start with.
Yup, I think that’ll work well enough. Do it for a cycle or two and let us know how it went!
 
Ya know I think there is a point in time where I need to just run it and see what happens. I really appreciate you all helping me process through it! I think I have been on a kick where my sole focus has been to complete a program. I don't think I have been in a place of progressive monitoring as the program goes on so I think that will be the next step. I have another week of finishing up Kettlebell Max and then I will start the above process. Thank you all so much.
 
Here is the update. I retested with double 53 pound clean and press at the end of Kettlebell Max yesterday. I was able to get 21 reps which I was pretty stoked about. Not sure where I stood with double 53s to start the program but I treated them as a 5 rep max. I was shooting for 15 when I started the set. I felt like I had some more in the tank but I didn't want to push it. I am a school teacher, and I have a 5 day break after tomorrow. During that break I plan to do some max work on Deadlift and squats. Will update when I get that completed. I am in the process of getting a second 32 kilo kb. Once I do that I may take those for a ride to see how many reps I can bang out with those prior to starting the Giant again. Thanks for everyone's input.
 
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