Not supposed to be a "diet" thread or a "training" thread, its a living thread. I've had the 6 for 30 years thru machines, KBs, Bodybweight, vegan, Atkins, Paleo..... What I'm saying is if you find a guy, or girl, who's a grown a** adult, non fitness related job, maybe a kid or two, and they're managing to "walk around" lean and strong, they've figured something out about what it takes. Meet 5 of them (good luck with that ) and they might have 5 different methods, but they've figured out what it takes, and they're doing it.