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Kettlebell Kettlebell AXE - general discussion

In the book it’s says you can do strength training either the day before or the day after axe. It also gives the option of doing a third axe session on Saturday day.
This got me wondering if it was possible to do 3xAxe a week and 2xEasy strength
M- Axe
Tu- Easy Strength
W-Easy Strength
Th- Axe
F- Day off
S- Axe (Light)
Su- Day off
 
Some questions to @Pavel :

What would be the difference in terms of adaption between short sets and short rest and longer sets and longer rests ? In other words what is the difference between progressing by increasing reps and keeping rest the same versus keeping reps the same and decreasing rest ?

Could this thing with doing it every minute or so also work with pure strength like pull-ups or push-ups ? If so would you recommend increasing reps or decreasing rest between sets ?
 
Can someone please give a few sentences on what the AXE program consists of as I can't quite understand that from here?

Some H2H swings variation similar to A&A, like 5 x EMOM for a programmed time?
 
Red_and_Black said:
Can someone please give a few sentences on what the AXE program consists of as I can't quite understand that from here?

Some H2H swings variation similar to A&A, like 5 x EMOM for a programmed time?
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Yes, similar to that, though not for programmed time, but within certain guidelines. The programming is based on AGT principles from the literature combinbed with triple progression. But honestly, just buy the book which covers a lot of ground. I am currently reading it a second time.

@Pavel: One question on the glycoytic jolts: Could glycolytic power repeats be used here as well or should they only be done in their own training block?
 
Bauer said:
Yes, similar to that, though not for programmed time, but within certain guidelines. The programming is based on AGT principles from the literature combinbed with triple progression. But honestly, just buy the book which covers a lot of ground. I am currently reading it a second time.

@Pavel: One question on the glycoytic jolts: Could glycolytic power repeats be used here as well or should they only be done in their own training block?
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I can't buy the book @Bauer, there's no physical copies for sale and don't have an e-book/Kindle.
 
Red_and_Black said:
I can't buy the book @Bauer, there's no physical copies for sale and don't have an e-book/Kindle.
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Ah, I see. You can read the Kindle version on the free desktop or smartphone apps from Amazon. Of course, that is a different reading experience, but it works well. I often use it for searching specific passages, or when I am waiting in line (the android version, that is...).
 
@Pavel

I was excited to see the section about fat loss.

You stated/cited that the fuel during an AXE session is carbs and fat, and I believe that the point of the Fat Loss section is to point out that lipid metabolism is a large part of the energy consumed during an AXE session, not that the trainee will get shredded in no time flat. As you point out, Megan Kelly does AXE for 90minutes 4+(?) times a week, "yet here she is..." indicating much less glycogen usage than lipid. There really isn't anything there about body composition change.

Is there any way to program AXE for actual body composition fat loss?
  • If No: Thank you for your contribution!
  • If Yes: Is this outside the scope of Kettlebell AXE or this thread?
    • If No: If I wanted to push deep into the territory of diminishing returns, non-minimalist, AXE as primary physical activity, what kinds of anecdotal WTHE are you willing to share or hint at?
For instance, if I wanted to progress up to 45% bodyweight(goal weight =< 240lbs.) Swings and Jerks to 2.5-3x a week each to 40-60 minute sessions with post session walks, how would you compare AXE to IC(doubles+walks) or KBSF(doubles+walks), calories in being equal, in terms of "fat loss"?

I like that the adaptation is anti-catabolic. Hopefully this translates to "preserving lean mass" during a 3-6month fat loss phase for somebody whose weigh scale refers to them as a Class III Obese...
 
Now that the AXE is out and we still have and love all other programs (S&S, Q&D, KBSF) what would the most logical sequence to use them?
We know that one should be proficient at swings (at least hit timeless simple) to start AXE and Q&D, so S&S is first before the AXE and Q&D.
Would Q&D be a good option to use as a good glycolitic session for AXE? Not sure where KBSF plan with swings and getups would stand in this line? I believe it could be used as alternative to reach simple?
 
Huyovas said:
Now that the AXE is out and we still have and love all other programs (S&S, Q&D, KBSF) what would the most logical sequence to use them?
We know that one should be proficient at swings (at least hit timeless simple) to start AXE and Q&D, so S&S is first before the AXE and Q&D.
Would Q&D be a good option to use as a good glycolitic session for AXE? Not sure where KBSF plan with swings and getups would stand in this line? I believe it could be used as alternative to reach simple?
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KBSF is principally A+A.
(I reckon AXE and AAE, maybe even AIE for TGU???)
For SW the density is constant and volume varies based on set quantity.
AXE [edit] also deemphasises grip strength as a restricting factor.
 
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WhomtheBellTolls said:
In the book it’s says you can do strength training either the day before or the day after axe. It also gives the option of doing a third axe session on Saturday day.
This got me wondering if it was possible to do 3xAxe a week and 2xEasy strength
M- Axe
Tu- Easy Strength
W-Easy Strength
Th- Axe
F- Day off
S- Axe (Light)
Su- Day off
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I think this would work well. I've been doing A+A/AXE snatching most of this year. Earlier in the year I was doing 3 days a week AXE + LSD a couple times a week in the form of walking or cycling. The last few months have been 2 days AXE, 2 days easy strength and 2-3 days of LSD.
 
ryan7 said:
I think this would work well. I've been doing A+A/AXE snatching most of this year. Earlier in the year I was doing 3 days a week AXE + LSD a couple times a week in the form of walking or cycling. The last few months have been 2 days AXE, 2 days easy strength and 2-3 days of LSD.
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I do something similar. 2 days of AXE, 2 days of Iron Cardio, 2 days of Zone 2 and 1 day of rest/variety or Z2. Covers a lot of bases for me.
 
WhomtheBellTolls said:
In the book it’s says you can do strength training either the day before or the day after axe. It also gives the option of doing a third axe session on Saturday day.
This got me wondering if it was possible to do 3xAxe a week and 2xEasy strength
M- Axe
Tu- Easy Strength
W-Easy Strength
Th- Axe
F- Day off
S- Axe (Light)
Su- Day off
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I have asked Pavel about doing Even Easier Strength directly before AXE, and he approved.

Even Easier Strength is usually what people mean by Easy Strength, up to 5x per week with weight between 50-80% of 1RM, whereas classic Easy Strength was 2-3x per week with 80-95% of 1RM.

If you mean EES, you could try 4x per week (that's what I am doing).
 
JR47 said:
@Pavel

In regards to other training:

Can it be done in the same session? (I.e. AXE swings, then Press training?) or is it best to do the AXE training by itself and train presses on a different day?

Thankyou for answering so many of these questions it is truly helpful.

PS - did my second session today and am loving it. Hard training with strength and energy to spare.
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I'm going to say that I tried it and tired myself out for a few days. my mileage differs from yours:)

my mission is goblet lunges (delta20 to own 24kg lunges), AXE (swings when I fit it into my week), and running(well 1or2 jogging + 1 very long walk per week). I'm on a detrain week right now to recover from not recovering ;)
 
Hi everyone,
Thank you, Pavel! As always the content is extremely useful.
I'm wondering how AXE fits in with Fabio's "# “160 Seconds a Day Keep the Doctor Away!”—Burn More Fat and Improve Your Health without Breaking a Sweat with a Simple Swing Protocol" I do this everyday to break long periods of sitting, and I alternate between one hand swings and explosive push-ups.

My plan is to do the following:
Monday - AXE + 5/4 Explosive push-ups every hour (x 7)
Tuesday - TGU + 5/4 One-Hand Swings every hour (x 7)
Wednesday - 45 minutes of zone 2 (low-intensity training) + 5/4 Explosive push-ups every hour (x 7)
Thursday - AXE + 5/4 Explosive push-ups every hour (x 7)
Friday - TGU + 5/4 One-Hand Swings every hour (x 7)
Saturday - light AXE or 45 of minutes of Zone 2

Does this make sense?
 
Vlad B said:
My plan is to do the following:
Monday - AXE + 5/4 Explosive push-ups every hour (x 7)
Tuesday - TGU + 5/4 One-Hand Swings every hour (x 7)
Wednesday - 45 minutes of zone 2 (low-intensity training) + 5/4 Explosive push-ups every hour (x 7)
Thursday - AXE + 5/4 Explosive push-ups every hour (x 7)
Friday - TGU + 5/4 One-Hand Swings every hour (x 7)
Saturday - light AXE or 45 of minutes of Zone 2
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Quick note: Fabio's plan calls for 3/4
 
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