If we are not competing in powerlifting, then I think sticking with whatever max you can handle with a double overhand grip seems like a good strategy. It demands patience but our grip/tendons will adapt better to match our muscular/skeletal strength in the long run wouldn't they.A few hours ago, 315 lbs. x 2, double overhand, paused touch and go. Bodyweight was 151 lbs. this morning, so about 2.1 times bw.
You are very kind, @Abdul.Smooth. I can't stop watching it.
The light touch-and-go deadlift is, for those who are able to handle it, an interesting training option. One of the benefits of it, provided you keep the touch light, is increased time under tension. But perhaps the best benefit of it - credit to Marty Gallagher for this - is how every rep after the first one seems to be in one's perfect deadlift position. The bar is on the ground but, unlike a true "dead" start, your body has no choice but to have everything already tight before you pull. I must repeat my caution - this isn't for everyone, and no one trying it for the first time should go heavy or even moderate but rather practice it, and feeling what it needs to feel like on the way down, with a very light, and only gradually heavier, weight.The second rep was much better?
You betcha! I've told this story before, including in a 2012 blog here, but I'll repeat it briefly now: when I was recovering from my back injury, and first tried running again, I noticed that if I didn't keep a certain pressure in my belly, my back hurt. I got instant feedback - if I didn't keep a certain pressure in my midsection, my back hurt and, because of my injury, it meant I had to stop running and switch to walking right then and there. So I learned, early and before I started lifting heavy things, the importance of the proverbial "core" and that lesson has never left me. Working up to a standing ab roller - I enjoyed that journey, and I continue to enjoy the results.I have seen your strength in person. I have seen you doing Ab roller all the way down to the floor and back up. It looked to me that the core strength that you employed in either cases is palpably same.
Never say "never."The idea of deadlifting twice the bodyweight would for me remain just that - an idea/dream. I don't see myself pulling 400lbs (My b/w is ~200lbs).
That seems a good approach to me. When I'm not directly preparing for a competition, I often to exactly that - double overhand DL only.I can use an overhand grip up to around 85% of rep max, which is more than enough for working weight sets of 70 to 80 %, so I don't use a mixed grip unless I want to test my rep max ...
Another sensible idea, @guardian7. It fits right in with the idea of owning a weight before moving up. It's a safe approach to going heavier.... once we have our double bodyweight goal, it may make more sense to work up to doing that for a double or triple, as you seem to be doing, before trying to increase 1 RM max.
when I am practicing a musical instrument, I am always looking for any tension and trying to release it; when I lift, I am always looking for any looseness, any leakage, and trying to tighten
We shall seeNever say "never."
Yeah, we shall see. Taking Marty Gallaghar's advice of seasonally appropriate training and nutrition next few months I am trying to lean/cut. So we shall see.And if you drop 25 lbs
I like the way the correct starting position is singled out. I think this could take months or years (even with coaching). The coach can't lift for the trainee. It is something the trainee has to figure it out (ideally with ample inputs, feedbacks from the coach) by himself, yes? Anyways, this begs the question, is it possible that the trainee ever fails to find this 'correct starting position'? Where, could we say, things went wrong if that happened?we are just concerned about their body getting in the way of a correct starting position
What could be some of them? I also wonder if assisance could ever be included in PTTP programming.accessory work that needs to be done--particularly on the grip and the erectors of the back--to handle loads
The essence of PTTP is to just deadlift and overhead press, and focus on the skill of performing those lifts. While one could add assistance, the program starts to become something else if you do. A bit of ab work after the main lifts should be OK in any strength program, including this one, and some conditioning could be added if you wish, but I wouldn't do more than that and still call it PTTP.I also wonder if assisance could ever be included in PTTP programming.
I agree that the average male shouldn't need a lot of accessory work to get to 2x BW... but Antii is right--it will make it happen faster.I like the way the correct starting position is singled out. I think this could take months or years (even with coaching). The coach can't lift for the trainee. It is something the trainee has to figure it out (ideally with ample inputs, feedbacks from the coach) by himself, yes? Anyways, this begs the question, is it possible that the trainee ever fails to find this 'correct starting position'? Where, could we say, things went wrong if that happened?
What could be some of them? I also wonder if assisance could ever be included in PTTP programming.
My stats are pretty close to yours. And comments like this following one, which seem to be the unquestioned conventional wisdom, frustrate me A LOT.I'm just over 6' 1" tall, weigh between 225-230 lbs and consider my strength to be average.
I added deadlifts to my work-outs about 2 years ago and my PR is 300 lbs, about 1 -1/3 body weight.
I would be thrilled to lift 337 (1.5 body weight), I find it hard to believe that 2X body weight is achievable for the average guy.
Either the friend is not actually average (he's above), or I am not average (way below). I'll spare y'all my story because I don't want to turn this into a therapy session. I'll just say this: when I read something like, "with X amount of months, you should be able to get from point Y to point Z in your kettlebell training," that matches my experience pretty well. I do appear to be "average" when it comes to kettlebells. Same with running, back when I used to spend a lot of time running. "Follow this running schedule and get these results." Yep. That's me. But with squats and deadlifts, it feels like I'm not even close.I coached my friend, an average middle aged man with zero strength training experience before, to a double bodyweight deadlift in about a couple of months, it not a week or two more. I think he made good progress, but nothing special.