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Other/Mixed How would you start over with a focus on principles, bodyweight, and mobility for over 40/50?

Other strength modalities (e.g., Clubs), mixed strength modalities (e.g., combined kettlebell and barbell), other goals (flexibility)
Still do original strength resets+principles from flexible steel, ground force method and other systems that have influenced movement and restoration

Start with some Iron cardio and AXE.. eventually shift to either ROP or kettlebell strong+AXE

And then chase down those gains with some built strong plans and maybe the giant
 
That is great to hear and fortunate. Yeah, I wish I had paid more attention to mobility earlier.
Breath meditation and nasal breathing is a new focus for me. Definitely a must I think now.

I like the term "unsentimental." Definitely things I would rather do but trying to focus on what I should do/can manage now.
Two things that have helped me tremendously as far as mobility goes, dep on the definition.

- Many years ago I did many many hours of square and circular footwork for MA/kickboxing. To this day I find myself using these patterns in awkward spots when on my feet, even though I no longer drill them. Every so often I'll run through a few times to make sure I still can do so without thinking.

- aaand...isometrics.
I did not appreciate enough that consistent resistance training will, in the absence of some counter, slowly degrade some aspects of mobility. I came to appreciate this as I got older. Iso has had an incredibly therapeutic effect on mobility and untrained movement/reaction speed.
 
Two things that have helped me tremendously as far as mobility goes, dep on the definition.

- Many years ago I did many many hours of square and circular footwork for MA/kickboxing. To this day I find myself using these patterns in awkward spots when on my feet, even though I no longer drill them. Every so often I'll run through a few times to make sure I still can do so without thinking.

- aaand...isometrics.
I did not appreciate enough that consistent resistance training will, in the absence of some counter, slowly degrade some aspects of mobility. I came to appreciate this as I got older. Iso has had an incredibly therapeutic effect on mobility and untrained movement/reaction speed.

Any type of complex movement seems good. Studies of tai chi and ballroom dancing and martial arts show lots of benefits for older populations. I think it is just the movement. I have a book on footwork I will review. Amazon product ASIN B07XXXDT87
I have been doing dip holds for time lately. It helps to think of the body as one unit.

Great insights. Kind of stuff I was looking for.
 
I've been training my elderly mother with phenomenal results. She's turning into a real meathead and I have to forbid her from doing extra workouts on her own.

I started with Original Strength (breathing + resets), loaded carries and movements that were basically OS resets morphed to resemble traditional calisthenics. The idea was to just get her building connective tissue and reflexive strength. Once she had corrected a bunch of postural issues, got her joints/muscles working properly and built a base of strength, it was very easy to just give her a few tips during our work that resulted in her packing her shoulders, bracing and squeezing her glutes for tension. I still use OS / loaded carries / hybrid resets for strength and finish each workout with her just zipping up her body and doing the easiest calisthenics possible, so she can learn to hold tension under movement.

It has completely changed my own workouts, which now resemble hers: heavy 9-Minute-Challenge for reflexive strength, some sandbag work and swings for grinding strength and conditioning, and super light calisthenics with high tension techniques to master feed-forward tension.

I wish I had always trained this way, but I always felt like I needed to load the tension techniques as part of the strength building process. Chasing reflexive strength has me building all the strength I need and lightly-weighted max-tension techniques have me mastering tension in ways I never understood before.
Wow. Inspiring.
May I ask - how old was she when you started, and what were her limitations?
(I'm thinking about my in laws... who are in their late 80s)
 
Wow. Inspiring.
May I ask - how old was she when you started, and what were her limitations?
(I'm thinking about my in laws... who are in their late 80s)

Her health had been declining and she's been more and more inactive over the past several years, I'm assuming because of undiagnosed COPD that had been lingering under the surface.

She's almost 80. I started training her last year, but the only benefit I could really report from back then was that various pains disappeared in her body. (She had arthritis pain and pains from just not understanding that you can abuse your body. She would get terrible pain from bending over in a garden all day and was astonished to learn she could make it disappear by stretching out her front. She was actually able to stop all her pain meds and, once we started stretching out her chest muscles in a doorway, she was able to stop taking a medication to help her breathe.)

However, despite these amazing benefits, she she didn't like training and didn't take it that seriously. It was a chore to her, so it kind of tapered off.

Earlier in the summer she had a major medical crisis (stress and forest fires caused the COPD to really knock her down) and she lost 10lbs of bodyweight when she was already super-lean to begin with. Not a good situation at all. I finally got through to her and she started taking training seriously. In the last few months she's hitting strength feats that are astonishing both of us. She says she feels great, she moves great, she's not in any pain and she's capable of doing stuff she hasn't been in years -- maybe ever. I can see a real spark of life back in her as she's returned to doing all kinds of things she enjoyed, but stopped doing.

I don't have her deadlifting as an exercise in itself, but I make sure she picks up the weights for her farmer carries and frontload carries with perfect form, and every now and then she'll pick up some heavy dumbbells and look at me with astonishment, saying, "That felt effortless!" and I'll say, "Yeah, that's what happens when your body is working right!" Just getting her posture and alignment right has corrected a lot of physical problems for her.

I had been building up her leg strength with wall sits and quadruped rocking, but, full bodyweight squats still eluded her. She could do them, but they were shaking and I didn't like how dangerous they looked. That's when I started teaching her Pavel's techniques: I had her corksrew her legs into the ground so she could feel tension in her legs and but, then I had her pull herself down, then told her to stand up... she effortlessly popped up like a spring was released. We were both shocked and she looked at me like it was a magic trick.

It's been wild seeing how well she responds to the tension techniques + good posture. i certainly never responded like she is. When everything is aligned, she turns into an absolute machine. She can pick up two 30lbs DBs and complain they seem super heavy, but then I correct her form and she stands up like she's holding soup cans.

It's utterly fascinating to me. She's the only person I've ever trained -- the closest I've come before this is working out with friends and sharing tips. When I use Pavel's tension techniques, I don't suddenly have a burst of super strength: I just become solid and feel like I can grind through any weight. When she uses them, she basically transforms like Popeye after a can of spinach.

After the COPD, I would say her limitations were poor aerobic power, general weakness, missing muscle mass, poor movement and her body was locked into poor positions after decades of muscles tightening in all the wrong places. I've still got a lot of things I'd like to improve on her (shoulder mobility, thoracic mobility) before I think she's fixed, but she's already seeing incredible benefits and her quality of movement gains and strength gains have been tremendous. She's a lifelong smoker with COPD, but OS marching has done a lot to improve her cardio. She was unable to march for more than 10 reps at first, but now she can go for minutes at a time before she gets bored.
 
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In short, how would you rebuild your body if you did not focus on PR intensity or amount of weight used, only rebuilding a foundation to make everything better for lifelong health?
1. Join a yoga class with people you like and build some relationships.
2. join a hiking group that pushes you a bit with some people that you like and build some relationships.
3. Do some strength training... But you will have to push yourself a bit. The 71 year old at my gym deadlifts 370at 214lbs. He pushes himself a bit still. @Kenny Croxdale deadlifts about 400 at 72 and 190lb. He pushes himself a bit too from time to time. (sensible long term view programming. Don't chase PR singles all the time... But also don't actively avoid it all the time either)
3b. Do more bodybuilding.
4. Fix your diet. You probably don't eat enough protein and veggies. As you get older you need to increase your protein intake.
5. hang out with family and friends more, wear sunscreen, brush and floss, wear your seatbelt.
 
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Were you finding full ROM movements still inhibited your mobility?
Absolutely. ATG squats, Deep Hinge, etc. And this with the same routine range of motion stretching as I ever had.

And despite keeping rapid (or even consciously increasing) my loaded movement speed, ability to execute unloaded movements with speed declined along with comfortable range of mobility. The same mechanism seemed to be creating both effects.

I'd noticed this creeping in, but also as I've gotten older I do less supplemental - haven't hit a heavy bag in a few years - that might counteract the drift.
 
If I could go back to 40 (currently 50M) I would probably do some version of Easy Strength. With some more intense KB workouts like Don't Know Squat or the Wolf for short periods maybe 2-3x per year. I put a lot of stress on my body following 531 and other Powerlifting type programs, unnecessarily, but they were all I knew. I also never realised the power of Carries till recently.

So things I would do differently
- Get into KB earlier - if I didn't like Easy Strength so much I might Program around Strong for most of the year
- Carries
- Easy Strength
- cut my barbell work in half and sub in KB or DB work
- squat narrower and with more knees (I was duped by the powerlifting world into hurting my hip)
- more rear delt work
- Buy a Trap Bar and SSB earlier
 
If I could go back to 40 (currently 50M) I would probably do some version of Easy Strength. With some more intense KB workouts like Don't Know Squat or the Wolf for short periods maybe 2-3x per year. I put a lot of stress on my body following 531 and other Powerlifting type programs, unnecessarily, but they were all I knew. I also never realised the power of Carries till recently.

So things I would do differently
- Get into KB earlier - if I didn't like Easy Strength so much I might Program around Strong for most of the year
- Carries
- Easy Strength
- cut my barbell work in half and sub in KB or DB work
- squat narrower and with more knees (I was duped by the powerlifting world into hurting my hip)
- more rear delt work
- Buy a Trap Bar and SSB earlier

Focusing on weak links like rear delts is important. I do face pulls and they help a lot. I also find that people who use KB and barbell a lot may be lacking rowing movements, so I started doing inverted rows.
 
Oh I love this thread. It's singing to me. I didn't get into kettlebells until I was 40 back in 2009. I call it the great, the good and the ugly.
First, the great, I fell in love with using them and made terrific gains. I learned to lift correctly, got into even better shape and had a passion.
Second the good. I was really good at it. I'm a 190 lb. guy. TGU's with an 88? No problem, ETK up to 80K? 165 on a 10 minute snatch test? Check Check Check. Doing workouts with double 70's sure.
THE BAD....I was too old to try to keep up with mutants in their 20's and 30's. Between sports and TRAINING VOLUME, I wore the cartilage in one shoulder out and arthritis in the other. ETK is not a program for older athletes. Neither are doing 200 snatches. If someone wants to do the Giant, I'd tell you to stick to 20 minutes.

So, to answer the question. What I'd do over again?
For barbell, if you can't do 225 for 10, you shouldn't do any more weight. 10 RM is best for most exercises.
If you can't do an overhand grip on a deadlift without straps, it's too much weight.
Volume 25-40 reps. 50 on a good day
3 strength workouts per week, total body, just do a different exercise
5-10 minutes yoga 4-5 days a week. Butterfly pose, Pigeon pose, Lying twist, Seated fold forward, Standing fold forward, Child's pose, Down dog, with heels touching ground.
Watch my diet and rest more.
 
forums.mixedmartialarts.com/t/tips-from-the-40-men-to-the-40-men/3847041

Decent advice here. Not all is clean, but it is for the most part.
 
Focusing on weak links like rear delts is important. I do face pulls and they help a lot. I also find that people who use KB and barbell a lot may be lacking rowing movements, so I started doing inverted rows.

I would love to go back to 16y and retrain myself for football. Most of my issues stem from the poor programs I was given. I believe one program had 9 worksets of press and only 3 of pulling. This set me up for lots of shoulder issues. I sort of realised this at 40 and pretty much began doing 1 pull for every push. Currently, if you counted DL as a Pull the ratio might be 2 or 3 :1 + some rehab work... I even once went a whole year not pressing... but the problems persist.
 
I would love to go back to 16y and retrain myself for football. Most of my issues stem from the poor programs I was given. I believe one program had 9 worksets of press and only 3 of pulling. This set me up for lots of shoulder issues. I sort of realised this at 40 and pretty much began doing 1 pull for every push. Currently, if you counted DL as a Pull the ratio might be 2 or 3 :1 + some rehab work... I even once went a whole year not pressing... but the problems persist.
Only anecodotally, but it seems like a lot of ex-football players in particular seem especially banged up with problems extending to older age.
 
First of all: "It feels good to feel good."
Resets first.
Probably a focus on Split Squats, Incline Pushups, and Carries. Some Dead Bugs.

Not too many reps. Not too many exercises.
Do fun things first, then something that needs to be done, then something fun again.
 
How would 20 year old you have benefited?

I have a hard sell with some of my kids
Unfortunately, my 20 year old self wouldn't have benefitted. My 30, 40, and 50 year old self would reap the benefits :)

I guess for me, I'd do visuals if you can. Find someone with not great mobility and ask them to get down and up off the floor. Find someone with OK mobility and ask them to get down and up off the floor. Finally find someone with great mobility and ask them to get down and up off the floor.

That is what solidified it for me back in my late 30s. I tripped in my yard on my water hose. I had to roll onto my stomach, then my side, and contort myself in weird ways to get up. I'm not saying I should have been able to kip up, but I shouldn't have had to move around as much as I did to find a position that allowed me to get my hands and legs under me. Thinking back, my sitting-rising test (Assess your Mortality with the Sitting-Rising Test (SRT) AKA Brazilian Get Up Test - Vertex PT Specialists) score was probably a 3 or 4 that day.
 
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