When Changing a Program Is, and Isn't, OK

Michael Scott

> 2k Posts
To be honest, it is not that complicated for newbies. When you follow the program outline in the book, things could not be easier to perform. For me, I had to watch YouTube videos to understand the get up. Once I found the basic form, I was off & running. Swings are easy to watch and mirror. It is when you finally find that snap of the hips is when things come together.

Once you understand the program, and have some time with the kettlebell, then things get interesting. You finally notice the "float" that many refer to in their posts. You finally understand why you don't have to have a death grip on the kettlebell, the straight wrist in get ups makes sense, you discover a wobble in your get up that you can tighten up with a little more focus and patience. Or, my personal favorite, the last two get ups feel stronger and more stable than the first three......yeah, WTH indeed.

You get the idea, or you will soon enough......welcome to the forum!

One question. Is S&S simple for newbies?
 

Kozushi

> 3k Posts
Neither the 1h swing nor the TGU are easy movements. They are both tricky, lopsided movements that involve challenges to your balance and in the TGU a lot of different postures. Of course, this is what makes the program work - you work out your whole body through just these two movements that you do to near exhaustion.

I'd guess that the PTTP SF program is the one more for the raw newbie. Also, I think SF has a new book out that promotes your choice of 2 barbell moves.
 

Anna C

> 6k Posts
Elite Certified Instructor
this is what makes the program work - you work out your whole body through just these two movements that you do to near exhaustion.
S&S is not intended to be to near exhaustion. You should feel "recharged" and have some gas left in the tank. That's why you can train with it daily.

I'd guess that the PTTP SF program is the one more for the raw newbie.
Yes, PTTP can be used by anyone who wants to train with a barbell.

Also, I think SF has a new book out that promotes your choice of 2 barbell moves.
"Choose your 2 to 5 lifts to get strong in: Squat, Bench Press, Deadlift, Military Press, Barbell Row."

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Kozushi

> 3k Posts
S&S is not intended to be to near exhaustion. You should feel "recharged" and have some gas left in the tank. That's why you can train with it daily.



Yes, PTTP can be used by anyone who wants to train with a barbell.



"Choose your 2 to 5 lifts to get strong in: Squat, Bench Press, Deadlift, Military Press, Barbell Row."

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Yes, I feel recharged, but I thought the point of doing 100 swings and 10 getups was to exhaust deeper layers of muscle thus prompting regeneration and strengthening. When I do S&S with the 40 swings 48 TGUs I feel exhausted though.
 

Anna C

> 6k Posts
Elite Certified Instructor
Yes, I feel recharged, but I thought the point of doing 100 swings and 10 getups was to exhaust deeper layers of muscle thus prompting regeneration and strengthening. When I do S&S with the 40 swings 48 TGUs I feel exhausted though.
Yeah, just semantics... I agree that it's good to work hard at it, and an S&S session shoudn't be easy. I was just pointing out the specific design of the S&S program is moderate daily training, therefore most people wouldn't use the term "to near exhaustion" which would imply perhaps a hard day that needs a day or more of recovery before doing again.
 

Kozushi

> 3k Posts
Yeah, just semantics... I agree that it's good to work hard at it, and an S&S session shoudn't be easy. I was just pointing out the specific design of the S&S program is moderate daily training, therefore most people wouldn't use the term "to near exhaustion" which would imply perhaps a hard day that needs a day or more of recovery before doing again.
Yes sorry, I also had forgotten that the gentleman asking the question is somewhat new to it, and my semantics were misleading.

Due to my S&S strength I had no problem shovelling the snow off the whole block just now. S&S strength is more practical I think than a lot of other strength systems since it's asymmetrical and power-endurance based. I don't feel tired or sore right now but I shovelled for an hour.

In a few years, I'll have Sinister. I can feel it coming. And I'll maintain it as my base of strength. I can't imagine getting to a point like that and then giving it up. S&S 4EVER.
 

strongDad

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Okay, so to oversimplify:

PTTP: raw strength
ROP: strength and conditioning
S&S: strength and endurance
@Kozushi, what is the difference between endurance and conditioning? I think maybe those terms might not have super specific definitions. If they don't, what did you mean?

(I'm interested because I'm doing S+S right now and would like to understand how it differs and basically what you meant.) :):)
 

JITASIA

More than Five Posts
To be honest, it is not that complicated for newbies. When you follow the program outline in the book, things could not be easier to perform. For me, I had to watch YouTube videos to understand the get up. Once I found the basic form, I was off & running. Swings are easy to watch and mirror. It is when you finally find that snap of the hips is when things come together.
 
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