watchnerd
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You guys who lift with iron plates inside the house are braver than me.
Bumpers + lifting platform + garage = drop away baby!
I am NOT a great presser, but when learning to OHP I followed Wendler's advice to use a thumbless grip so I have been doing it since starting and I can say I have never felt uneasy with it in the OHP. I still don't like it for bench pressing, but at least at the weight I use for OHP it doesn't feel risky at all to me.
I barbell press thumbless and prefer it, but at this point it is automatic and familiar. The one "caution" I'd give is if you're very used to the kettlebell press with wrist straight, it is easy to dump the bar when you go thumbless if you try to have "no wrists" ... not sure that makes sense.@BJJ Shawn
Let me play with it and try it. I imagine it is similar to how Pavel described the 2 different types of grips in ROTK (press vs jerk). For example, and I'm completely making this up, but maybe a thumbless grip has more tricep activation. And maybe antagonistic muscles are then used less... Such as neck straining muscles...
I am NOT a great presser, but when learning to OHP I followed Wendler's advice to use a thumbless grip so I have been doing it since starting and I can say I have never felt uneasy with it in the OHP. I still don't like it for bench pressing, but at least at the weight I use for OHP it doesn't feel risky at all to me.
Sure, you can clean it. If it is light enough I can clean without thumb, if it’s a bit heavier I’ll clean it using a hook grip and let the thumb go on the turnover.@John K
Can you clean a barbell to a thumbless position? Or must I take it out of the rack, thumbless?
Wendler doesn't have any claimed benefit, he simply states that it is user preference and he feels like his bar path is better when using the thumbless grip. For me just starting out, I simply followed his preference because I had none of my own.What's the claimed benefit of doing thumbless on OHP?
I'm speculating, but I wonder if it's similar to doing a bottoms-up press or waiters press; perhaps it gets you pressing more directly upwards, if that makes any sense. My barbell is in an apartment living room, so I'm probably not going to try it any time soon....What's the claimed benefit of doing thumbless on OHP?
Paul Carter says much the same here:Wendler doesn't have any claimed benefit, he simply states that it is user preference and he feels like his bar path is better when using the thumbless grip. For me just starting out, I simply followed his preference because I had none of my own.
"Use a false grip - I don't know who told me this or why I began doing this, but this made a huge difference with my pressing power and more importantly THE PATH of the bar. It may seem a bit scary at first; holding a bar over your head with a false grip. But this seems to keep the bar path perfect for me and for some reason, make it much more comfortable on my shoulders."
This means not having the thumb around the bar. You'll feel much stronger with a thumbless grip. There are several theories about this, but in my experience it allows for a better path of the bar by bringing it in slightly closer to the centerline of the body. The thumbless grip is also easier on the shoulders in general and more kind to the wrists.
Enjoy your time off. The barbell will always be there for you.I was going to avoid the barbell for awhile, but you guys are getting me excited about OHP training!
I was going to avoid the barbell for awhile, but you guys are getting me excited about OHP training!
If you ditch PL for Strongman, you can get all the overhead work in you want! Without that pesky bench press too!I was going to avoid the barbell for awhile, but you guys are getting me excited about OHP training!
Wendler doesn't have any claimed benefit, he simply states that it is user preference and he feels like his bar path is better when using the thumbless grip. For me just starting out, I simply followed his preference because I had none of my own.
"Use a false grip - I don't know who told me this or why I began doing this, but this made a huge difference with my pressing power and more importantly THE PATH of the bar. It may seem a bit scary at first; holding a bar over your head with a false grip. But this seems to keep the bar path perfect for me and for some reason, make it much more comfortable on my shoulders."
I tried to google "barbell jerk grip" but only came across "jerk grip width." Is this a particular hand position you're referring to?I actually use a jerk grip when I press.
But a lot of people find that horrible uncomfortable or just weaker.
Check out how the grip looks in the jerk:I tried to google "barbell jerk grip" but only came across "jerk grip width." Is this a particular hand position you're referring to?
This looks like the answer you get on stackoverflow:If you ditch PL for Strongman, you can get all the overhead work in you want! Without that pesky bench press too!
Solving problems like a pro!This looks like the answer you get on stackoverflow:
"How do you do A ?"
"Do B instead"