Lol, I thought you were referring to an infamous bodybuilding.com thread. Workout ProgramsThe half day is only 2 exercises, and accessories, as opposed to a full practice session.
And no quick lifts, other than technique drills with empty bar.
I don't mean to throw shade, but I'm struggling to understand what you are trying to say. Don't you run a yearly strength and conditioning clinic where people stand around and listen to learn how to increase strength, power, and technique?So, standing and listening increase your Strength, Power and improves your technique?
Lol, I thought you were referring to an infamous bodybuilding.com thread. Workout Programs
I mean... The nutrition section has a couple that approach this caliber.Amazing.
StrongFirst really needs more threads of this caliber.
I mean... The nutrition section has a couple that approach this caliber.
HOW YOU WILL GET ALL YOUR CONCENTRATION CURLS IN ON THE "HALF" DAY!
I do just do the two sets and move on. I don't use warm up sets.Efficiency is great, yes. But there are limits.
I could very well train with just two big lifts a day with just two work sets of each a day. But do it in ten minutes?
A proper warm up to the two work sets with just the deadlift itself can easily take at least four sets with all the plate loading, say 155-265-355-445. After that load up to 485 or 535, do a set, rest, do another set, clear the bar. Now repeat if for the press. All that in ten minutes?
I hope I didn’t give the impression that I thought this type of minimalism would work for serious athletes. That would clearly be laughableNewbie gains are wonderful things!
Sadly, that easy ROI doesn't persist as you advance up the ladder.
You are already past the point where I would think PTTP would be a good choice. I would definitely want to be doing some warming up before that kind of weight. However…..Efficiency is great, yes. But there are limits.
I could very well train with just two big lifts a day with just two work sets of each a day. But do it in ten minutes?
A proper warm up to the two work sets with just the deadlift itself can easily take at least four sets with all the plate loading, say 155-265-355-445. After that load up to 485 or 535, do a set, rest, do another set, clear the bar. Now repeat if for the press. All that in ten minutes?
When I was deadlifting this kind of weight, 10 min and no warm up worked fine. I maxed out at 205 kg, and it seemed pretty clear that I would need to actually train like a power lifter if I wanted to do any better than that. I was definitely doing a bit of warming up towards the pointy end of each cycle. (and therefore taking longer than 10 minutes)I do just do the two sets and move on. I don't use warm up sets.
Between my deadlifting 2 sets of 5 @ 275 lbs (75% 1rm) and pressing a 40kg kettle bell for 3x3 ; that usually comes in under 10 minutes.
I am aware that the majority of people here are very serious about their strength training. But I always imagined that there was a significant minority here (maybe 20 or 30 percent) who just love the fact that you can be far stronger than the average person without a huge time commitment. As far as I can tell people like me are the target market for many of Pavel’s books. Either there are way less of us here than I imagined or they are just not the ones who reply to surveys.
My deadlift hit 205 kg while doing nothing but PTTP. Totally unremarkable around here, but I was pretty happy with it. But then I am not a strength athlete. I am just a guy who enjoys being able to pick up heavy stuff without fear of injury.
Total respect to all of the genuinely strong people here for the time and effort that they have invested to become so. Your stories are a great inspiration. I just want to make it clear to people thinking about getting stronger that if they don‘t choose to follow your path, there are other options besides remaining weak.
A proper warm up to the two work sets with just the deadlift itself can easily take at least four sets with all the plate loading, say 155-265-355-445. After that load up to 485 or 535, do a set, rest, do another set, clear the bar. Now repeat if for the press. All that in ten minutes?
Strength ClinicI don't mean to throw shade, but I'm struggling to understand what you are trying to say. Don't you run a yearly strength and conditioning clinic where people stand around and listen to learn how to increase strength, power, and technique?
Hi @Kenny Croxdale , I think you have become muddled to the topic of this thread. You have on more than one occasion made a list similar to the one above.Strength Clinic
Yes, I have an annual Strength Clinic every year in October.
It is a all day clinic with different speakers on various topics.
The only individual who are standing are the speakers.
As Pete appears to believe, the amount of time spend standing around it time spent working out/training; it's practice time.
How does standing around for a while listening physically (key work) improve Techniques, Maximum Strength, Power, Speed, etc.?
The Mental Aspects
As you stated, standing around and sitting at clinics for houre is about the mental aspect of "The Game"; learning how to apply training concepts and write training programs.
Feel free to include all training: KB’s Barbell, Bodyweight, Mobility / Flexibility, Locomotive Endurance, and Sports Participation, etc.
It can get confusing when you participate in a barbell sport like I do, where one might think every aspect of training is 'weight room time' analogous to what you would get with field sports athletes doing time in the weight room, but in actuality it's not that conceptually different.
So, standing and listening increase your Strength, Power and improves your technique?
It tiresome to read vague short sited statement.t's tiresome to have to need to be this specific in order to avoid this type of misunderstanding.
Tiresome, yet expedientIt tiresome to read vague short sited statement.
As the saying goes, "The Devil is in the details".
Based on your defiition, I spend close to 40 hours a week training.
Describes me almost perfectly - I am to spend as little time as possible becoming stronger than the average person for a few reasonsI am aware that the majority of people here are very serious about their strength training. But I always imagined that there was a significant minority here (maybe 20 or 30 percent) who just love the fact that you can be far stronger than the average person without a huge time commitment.
Total respect to all of the genuinely strong people here for the time and effort that they have invested to become so. Your stories are a great inspiration. I just want to make it clear to people thinking about getting stronger that if they don‘t choose to follow your path, there are other options besides remaining weak.
I thought most of us were including our other physical hobbies as 'training' hours, but maybe not - I don't know. The lines between sport, hobby, and addiction are pretty blurry for some of us (well, me at least).Describes me almost perfectly - I am to spend as little time as possible becoming stronger than the average person for a few reasons
1. build a reserve (possibly to this day still my favourite article or piece of writing from Pavel - The Cost of Adaptation | StrongFirst )
2. be able to thrive in my chosen sport hobbies at the competitive amateur level, meaning not only to not be limited by physical capacity (I have enough of a deficit in skill ), but to have my physical capacity be a competitive advantage against an opponent