Probably somewhere in the Matrix… victors write the history or something?
lol I don’t know any of this stuff, I just know my son watches a cartoon called Clone Wars and it’s Star Wars.
Other/Mixed The Enhanced Games -- No Testing Olympics Competitor Announced
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Other strength modalities (e.g., Clubs), mixed strength modalities (e.g., combined kettlebell and barbell), other goals (flexibility)
lol I don’t know any of this stuff, I just know my son watches a cartoon called Clone Wars and it’s Star Wars.
bluejeff
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If we are in the Matrix, I want my superhuman kung fu powers already.
Hung
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I don't disagree about PED/non PED part and I'm sure you have good intention.
I have problems with Atlaspowershurg talking about. Dude talks like the only thing push equipped powerlifting record is high bodyfat and suit, and only thing improves physique of pro bodybuilders are drug.
That's just...I have no polite words for that I'm sorry.
I recommend starting with bending spoons. Then possible moving on to nails. I hear the red one is pretty hard.
LukeV
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And here comes the threats of bans
‘It’s a joke’: Enhanced Games swimmer should face life ban, says aquatics chief
Brent Nowicki said ‘You cross that bridge, you don’t come back’ after hearing James Magnussen’s plans to dope to break world record at Enhanced Games
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watchnerd
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And here comes the threats of bans
‘It’s a joke’: Enhanced Games swimmer should face life ban, says aquatics chief
Brent Nowicki said ‘You cross that bridge, you don’t come back’ after hearing James Magnussen’s plans to dope to break world record at Enhanced Gameswww.theguardian.com
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Magnussen is retired.
He wasn't coming back, so the ban means nothing.
Plus he has the chance to win $1M.
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bluejeff
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I did a quick google:
Raw bench press record is 782.
Equipped is around TWICE that.
Sorry if I have a hard time believing that PL equipment hasn’t driven numbers up.
Powerlifting Records: Raw & Equipped [Videos] (2024) - Lift Vault
Powerlifting is a sport where records are made to be broken. There’s a constant drive to smash old records and set new ones. That’s why we’ve rounded up the current all-time powerlifting world records that lifters are aspiring to beat. The categories we’ve covered for men and women are: Both raw...
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Sure training programs have evolved. But they haven’t evolved so much that people can lift twice as much as before. I also would have a hard time believing someone could lift over 1000 pounds natural unless they were an absolute behemoth of a human being. Are there any 1000lb benchers who we can say are totally natural?
It might be cool that someone can lift that, but I’m also sorry….I have a really hard time believing PEDs/equipment didn’t help.
LukeV
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Yeah he's a perfect example of what I meant by a former elite athlete, past his prime. You'll get the likes of him and you'll get athletes who weren't going to make the cut anyway
Hung
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I don't compare raw with equipped lift. It's like compare soccer with futsal. Two are close but still a different sport.
bookcase
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I have often wondered whether all sports should do this. Competitors know risks and make choices accordingly, but I feel it would be defeatist.
What some football (soccer) teams have been accused of in the UK is over-diagnosing players with asthma to prescribe treatments allowed medicinally but banned without medical exemption.
watchnerd
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If he manages to break the record after being too old, but "juiced to the gills", that would be interesting
Victor wrote the Matrix?
"Futsal" - a new one for me, thank you.
The world is full of things other people do that: 1) I know exist, and; 2) I don't pay attention to, and; 3) I don't see the point of passing moral judgement on. PEDs, squat suits, futsal ... I've got enough of my own stuff to worry about. You want to juice and compete with other people who juice - live long and prosper*, I say.
* - My attempt at being contemporary, albeit a 1967 reference. Vulcan salute - Wikipedia
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"Futsal" - a new one for me, thank you.
The world is full of things other people do that: 1) I know exist, and; 2) I don't pay attention to, and; 3) I don't see the point of passing moral judgement on. PEDs, squat suits, futsal ... I've got enough of my own stuff to worry about. You want to juice and compete with other people who juice - live long and prosper*, I say.
* - My attempt at being contemporary, albeit a 1967 reference. Vulcan salute - Wikipedia
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Boris Bachmann
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Of course PL equipment adds (in some cases) HUNDREDS OF POUNDS to a lift. I don't think anyone at all would argue differently.
I don't think the unequipped bench press records have changed that much over the last 30 years. Like much at all. I'm not googling anything as I type right now, but I'm guessing it's still around 700 and change. But,... what are you arguing exactly? I don't think anyone says PEDs and equipment don't help...
Just as a slightly related aside - I happened to be walking behind Scot Mendelson once at a meet. He weighed (iirc) somewhere in the neighborhood of 310lb but he had the upper body of a 500lb muscular man - it was crazy. To call it cartoon-like would sound like an insult, but I mean it in the most awe-struck way possible.
LukeV
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If no-one breaks a record I hope WADA will be suitably embarrassed
I haven't ever done the math myself, but I have heard - more than once - that the changes that occur in weight classes every now and then are simply to allow new records to be set. IOW, what you're saying is quite true across all lifts and all federations.
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silveraw
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I was thinking "Naaah no way thats right, RAW didn't become cool until the last 15-20 years"
Sure enough, I pull up open powerlifting and the heavyweight record is from 1997 and 700 ish pounds. A couple weight classes have had new records set in the last 25 years... But with a quick glance the biggest increase was 30lbs. Many being a kilo or two.
Side note: This Andrzej Stanaszek character seems like a real strong guy. 6x bodyweight squat? But known as a bench specialist?
Boris Bachmann
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Very strong. 4' tall. Leverages.
bluejeff
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My take is that it’s more interesting to me to see what people can do through training and diet, etc. Buying a better drug or wearing a different suit just doesn’t seem interesting to me. It’s kind of cool to see humans lift huge weights, but it always takes wind out of my sails to remember they had to use such things in order to do so.
It seems more interesting to me to see if naturals can push the limits through different training or something. Seeing that raw records haven’t budged much, maybe we’re at those limits? If we are, I personally am happy with that. The thought is that staying natural is more interesting because if you make progress you know it’s not because a chemist somewhere made a better drug, or someone made a better suit or whatever.
I posted the source of that idea (I hadn’t thought reasons for staying natural quite like that before), and the specific response I got was “he should stfu because he doesn’t compete.” Then the notion was presented that “high body fat and suits aren’t the only thing that pushed up weights in equipped PL.” So I looked at the numbers. It seems to me like suits play a central role in those numbers.
Edit: if someone would like to explain how suits and/or high body fat aren’t central to the huge numbers in equipped powerlifting I am all ears.
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