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Other/Mixed The Liver King Steroid 'Controversy'

Other strength modalities (e.g., Clubs), mixed strength modalities (e.g., combined kettlebell and barbell), other goals (flexibility)
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silveraw

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I view the entire supplements industry as mostly built on lies.

It's rife with absurd claims lacking medical evidence for efficacy and fake before and after photos.

The recent Turkesterone scandals being another example. And, hypocritically, a lot of those calling out the Liver King were themselves caught selling fake Turkesterone.

In a multi billion dollar supplement segment, was The Liver King lying worse than many of the others?
At least some of those supplement scams scammed people by putting actual effective drugs into their products!

Anyone else remember the original Jack3d with the 1,3diamethanphetaminewhateveritwas? A scoop of that legitimately put 15lbs on your bench and was like riding lighting. Then people started having heart attacks in their 20s because of the meth. Ruined the whole thing.
 

Adachi

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At least some of those supplement scams scammed people by putting actual effective drugs into their products!

Anyone else remember the original Jack3d with the 1,3diamethanphetaminewhateveritwas? A scoop of that legitimately put 15lbs on your bench and was like riding lighting. Then people started having heart attacks in their 20s because of the meth. Ruined the whole thing.
I remember a chemical engineer lamenting - Lead paint was great until kids started eating housepaint chips.
coat of paint would last you a decade or so.
 

silveraw

Level 7 Valued Member
I remember a chemical engineer lamenting - Lead paint was great until kids started eating housepaint chips.
coat of paint would last you a decade or so.
Yeah, it worked really well, but dang did they go ham with lead in everything.
Something like almost everyone born before 1980 has detectable lead poisoning due to how much lead was in products and in the air.
It is especially apparent when you go to the older indoor gun ranges and talk to the old timers who think ventilation and d-lead handsoap is a liberal scam.
 

watchnerd

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Him and dr Paul Saladino both own ancestrial supplements. Allegedly Paul said they are no longer in business together and that he had his suspicions but didn’t know the truth.

"had his suspicions"

Please.

It was convenient to look the other way while the money was pouring in.

Now that the wheels have come off the bus, he wants to distance himself.

Classic grift and run.
 

John K

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Certified Instructor
Anyone else remember the original Jack3d with the 1,3diamethanphetaminewhateveritwas? A scoop of that legitimately put 15lbs on your bench and was like riding lighting. Then people started having heart attacks in their 20s because of the meth. Ruined the whole thing.
That was the first preworkout I ever took. My roommate gave me a full scoop to start. I was bouncing off walls all day and all night. Never found a preworkout that hit like that one again, eventually I gave up trying.
 

watchnerd

Level 8 Valued Member
At least some of those supplement scams scammed people by putting actual effective drugs into their products!

Anyone else remember the original Jack3d with the 1,3diamethanphetaminewhateveritwas? A scoop of that legitimately put 15lbs on your bench and was like riding lighting. Then people started having heart attacks in their 20s because of the meth. Ruined the whole thing.

Ah the good ole days when supplements were effective, but dangerous!
 

Don Fairbanks

SFG II
Certified Instructor
At least some of those supplement scams scammed people by putting actual effective drugs into their products!

Anyone else remember the original Jack3d with the 1,3diamethanphetaminewhateveritwas? A scoop of that legitimately put 15lbs on your bench and was like riding lighting. Then people started having heart attacks in their 20s because of the meth. Ruined the whole thing.
Never tried that, but, Ultimate Orange, yep. Amped.
 

Eyetic

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That was the first preworkout I ever took. My roommate gave me a full scoop to start. I was bouncing off walls all day and all night. Never found a preworkout that hit like that one again, eventually I gave up trying.
Three or 4 months ago I tried one called "Insane labs psychotic"....damn that thing was crazy. Had to take half the reccomended dosage but even then I stopped because it was too much for me.
 

watchnerd

Level 8 Valued Member
To be fair, HGH isn’t a steroid so my dude wasn’t lying if he only claimed to never take steroids lol.

But Jesus Christ, $12k of HGH a month?! He should donate his body to science when he dies so those organs can be studied.

I was thinking the same thing.

Taking a lawyerly definition of the word 'steroid'.
 

silveraw

Level 7 Valued Member
To be fair, HGH isn’t a steroid so my dude wasn’t lying if he only claimed to never take steroids lol.

But Jesus Christ, $12k of HGH a month?! He should donate his body to science when he dies so those organs can be studied.
You are forgetting his whole stack is:
IGF-1 LR
CJC w/ Ipam (peptides)
Ibutamoren
Omnitrope (HGH)
Test cycp (120mg of testosterone a week)
Decca
and Winstrol (classic steroid)

All of them made by Primal Pharmaceuticals! (I kid, they were just from a regular pharmaceutical company)

I'm also curious how his liver is doing... Does eating liver offset this crazy level of drugs and the damage they do to the liver?
 

Adachi

Level 6 Valued Member
You are forgetting his whole stack is:
IGF-1 LR
CJC w/ Ipam (peptides)
Ibutamoren
Omnitrope (HGH)
Test cycp (120mg of testosterone a week)
Decca
and Winstrol (classic steroid)

All of them made by Primal Pharmaceuticals! (I kid, they were just from a regular pharmaceutical company)
so the stack is more than 12k?
or the whole stack is 12k?
out of curiosity
 
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