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Fat loss and Muscle gain (not versus)

You often hear people quoting 1 lb per week. But I've never met someone who managed it. YMMV.,
I did it twice:) and sustained the new weight for many years after each mission (2004 and 2012/13). Both times were similar: a month or so of stagnation and sudden melting thereafter. it wasn't linear: 1pound/week on average..a stagnant period here or faster weightloss there, etc. and always linked to appropriate nutrition (healthy calorie deficit)
 
Grab another 12 or use your friends and give GN's The Wolf a go.
the new toys were delivered today. The wolf ticks my C+J and Squat boxes so I went for it. but started with 1 rep of each excercise
- dbl 12kg was easy. 1x C+J+Squat+J
a set, wait to pass talk test (HR<132 or os) repeat. did this a few times
-dbl 16kg was not bad. 1x C+J, rest, then 1xC+Squat. a few
-dbl 16kg: 1x C+J+Squat+J rest, did many
then swapped sets between dbl 12kg and dbl16kg for a bit until the end.
30min. this was sort of A+A style as each set was around 15to18s with good rest. I got faster as I got better because I paused less at each point to think about the next move.

and most days show <86.9kg on the scale:) my stomach maybe starting to shrink too....maybe:) and I'm still feeling bigger muscle here and there.
 
the new toys were delivered today. The wolf ticks my C+J and Squat boxes so I went for it. but started with 1 rep of each excercise
- dbl 12kg was easy. 1x C+J+Squat+J
a set, wait to pass talk test (HR<132 or os) repeat. did this a few times
-dbl 16kg was not bad. 1x C+J, rest, then 1xC+Squat. a few
-dbl 16kg: 1x C+J+Squat+J rest, did many
then swapped sets between dbl 12kg and dbl16kg for a bit until the end.
30min. this was sort of A+A style as each set was around 15to18s with good rest. I got faster as I got better because I paused less at each point to think about the next move.

and most days show <86.9kg on the scale:) my stomach maybe starting to shrink too....maybe:) and I'm still feeling bigger muscle here and there.
Nice.
Wolf day 3, 5 rounds, 1:1.5 work to rest ratio, Enjoy!
Or, run the following unbroken, Wolf day 3 - Force Recon complex - Wolf day 1 - Wolf day 2. Adds up to 100 reps of dbls.
 
To lose fat and gain muscle just focus on your eating a balanced diet and strength training.
Based on my research (you gotta read the whole thread to see how my frame of reference changed), I believe that you simply need to be active everyday to lose fat, and eat less energy than you use (calorie counting). and you are correct, add in some strength training to build muscle. however, the focus is to be active everyday -> lose fat -> focus on muscle as you get better/fitter (assuming that you start from a state of minimal/no activity).

In my own case: i don't have too much fat to lose, and I started on a good fitness/excercise base so I have been active, usualy 6of7 days/week: including 2 strength days (A+A style, working towards every30s) , 1 stentgh+areobics (>30min KB walk with moderate a weight, never putting the KB down), and 2 aerobics days (a hard short run, an easy long run)
 
Honestly, train very heavy and switch to carnivore for 4 weeks. It really is that simple. You should notice increased strength and fat loss. When that is done switch the diet back to something more balanced but without anything preprepared.
 
A thick muscular back, boulder shoulders, big traps, Popeye forearms, and tree trunk core is what makes you look genuinely strong and not like a wasp-waisted beauty contestant gym-mirror obsessed narcissist.
I got all that muscle after starting SF training, mainly the S&S programme. I definintely do not mind being strong, hehe.
 
I have learned from the forums here that 75% of weight loss is from diet, 25% from exercise. Muscle burns more calories than fat.

I avoid eating before lunchtime, which I think does not really count as fasting as such, but is a method to reduce caloric intake. A medical researcher also has told me that it induces a bit of autophagia, which is healthy for your body since your body gets rid of some toxins mixed in with your fat as it effectively eats itself a bit. I also see avoiding breakfast as a way to train my digestive system to be flexible and to not always expect to have food digesting and rotting inside it. I drink a lot of water if I remember to. When I can, I put off lunch until later in the day. If I am genuinely hungry, then I eat. It is 3:20 pm right now but I have not really felt hungry enough to eat anything yet. Came back from the gym a few hours ago where I did 100 C&P with 14kg dumbbell in sets of 10 as a warmup, then a little more serious 100 C&P with 20kg in sets of 5, then 5 sets of 5-7 dips, also some cleans and deadlifts with heavier dumbells, suitcase walks and some other stuff. Not happy with myself that I have let my pullups go - max is 5 only for the time being. Need to get that back up. No kettlebells here unfortunately. TGUs take up too much space around other people. The C&P stuff seems to do the trick for now. I walk 2 to 3 hours a day normally. This is the summer of course, and is not my typical routine of fencing and judo training along with kettlebells primarily for home workouts.

In any case, I think the key for fat loss is to reduce how much you eat which can be done in a lot of different ways, and to make sure we stay strong while doing this, to exercise. When I do eat, I eat as much as I want, I just don't eat all day long - only in the afternoons.
 
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I droped almost 3kg in the past 5 weeks. I do not see any reduction in my KB abilities, in fact, my DoubleKB work is getting easier at the number of reps per set that I started with (1 rep of 16kg double: clean, jerk, squat, jerk, once or twice I do a second squat)..my technical skill definitely got better so this makes it easier, but I dont' believe that I lost much muscle. My BMI is in range (24.8) for the first time in MANY years. I am going to start a thread now about BMI and muscle, so don't flood this thread about the stupid/great BMI information;)

I mentioned my slow weight lost in my original post (june 6) and we had a huge discussion on and off-topic since then. I was very happy with my training approach and my final belief (well current belief) is that we need to be very active everyday in order to lose weight, forget about aerobics vs weights, just be active in any and every weigh (way).

As already known, the context of diet is the major impact. I started with a dietician on August 7 because my medical aid was really upset with my stomach diameter and offered a discount on the dietician services. interesting that I picked up this issue of stomach diameter in April (hence I bought the digital scale, and eventually started this thread) and the med-aid eventually agreed with me by the end of July :) I found body improvements on the new diet within days:
- my persistent acid reflux disapeared. there are recurrences when I behave badly ;)
- after <10 days my diabetes tablet induced nightly-pissing dropped from 4-6 pisses to 1or2 per night
- my stomach maybe slightly smaller, but not really noticeable.
- loss of >500g (1pound) per week.

what's the difference in my diet? I always thgouht that I ate well, and this diet generally reaffirmed it, but:
- LOTS of VARIOUS vegetables...which I always did, so no real change here. funny that I had to reduc the amount of fruit. I didn't expect this.
- ZERO Bread, almost zero Pasta, very little brown rice, some wraps (roti in my case), some rye bread, very little potatoe. this has been the first big change! cutting out bread was difficult in the first days...most of my meals include curries so this was a tough switch (curry with no roti/bread/rice goes against my culture!)
- MUCH more meat and fish and eggs then I was eating. This is the other big change. ok, I was on a drive to reduce meat over the past years. so i ate huge meat meals 3or5 times per month. now I have 150g of meat almost every day. 2or3 eggs almost every day, and 150g fish 3 per week. I ate a fair amount of meat almost everyday for most of my adult life...quite a lot actualy:)
-"150g of meat almost every day. 2or3 eggs almost every day, and 150g fish 3 per week"...honestly, I don't get to eat so much according to the plan everyday! I'm ok with it because I do balance off with the friday drinks/dinner with my friends or huge saturday lunch with my parents
- there is no menu for Sundays...lol, my wife says I shouldn't eat on sundays, I say I can eat what I want on sundays ;) ;) so Sundays is now my only take-out day...well, there are those days when I'm in the office and someone buys dinner when we are there till late

I ate most of a medium pizza the other day and really struggled with bloating and acid reflux, we suspect it was the dough in the thick base. my dietician says to make pizzas at home, using the roti's as a base.

Hope this helps some else too. I really benefited from the discussion here, and the dietician is taking me to the next level.
 
Power to you XCal!

Everyone's body is different. Everyone's lifestyle / commitments are different. You are making it work for YOU.

Keep it up.
 
Good work!

Since you are seeing progress, it seems like you are doing things right. I don't want to invalidate your progress, but just a word of warning to watch that you don't wind up "binging" on your weekends or "cheat days." If you cut calories all week in one form and then just replace the cut calories with junk over the weekend, you won't actually stay in a deficit.

If you continue to make progress with an approach that works for you, then carry on!
 
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I droped almost 3kg in the past 5 weeks. I do not see any reduction in my KB abilities, in fact, my DoubleKB work is getting easier at the number of reps per set that I started with (1 rep of 16kg double: clean, jerk, squat, jerk, once or twice I do a second squat)..my technical skill definitely got better so this makes it easier, but I dont' believe that I lost much muscle. My BMI is in range (24.8) for the first time in MANY years. I am going to start a thread now about BMI and muscle, so don't flood this thread about the stupid/great BMI information;)

I mentioned my slow weight lost in my original post (june 6) and we had a huge discussion on and off-topic since then. I was very happy with my training approach and my final belief (well current belief) is that we need to be very active everyday in order to lose weight, forget about aerobics vs weights, just be active in any and every weigh (way).

As already known, the context of diet is the major impact. I started with a dietician on August 7 because my medical aid was really upset with my stomach diameter and offered a discount on the dietician services. interesting that I picked up this issue of stomach diameter in April (hence I bought the digital scale, and eventually started this thread) and the med-aid eventually agreed with me by the end of July :) I found body improvements on the new diet within days:
- my persistent acid reflux disapeared. there are recurrences when I behave badly ;)
- after <10 days my diabetes tablet induced nightly-pissing dropped from 4-6 pisses to 1or2 per night
- my stomach maybe slightly smaller, but not really noticeable.
- loss of >500g (1pound) per week.

what's the difference in my diet? I always thgouht that I ate well, and this diet generally reaffirmed it, but:
- LOTS of VARIOUS vegetables...which I always did, so no real change here. funny that I had to reduc the amount of fruit. I didn't expect this.
- ZERO Bread, almost zero Pasta, very little brown rice, some wraps (roti in my case), some rye bread, very little potatoe. this has been the first big change! cutting out bread was difficult in the first days...most of my meals include curries so this was a tough switch (curry with no roti/bread/rice goes against my culture!)
- MUCH more meat and fish and eggs then I was eating. This is the other big change. ok, I was on a drive to reduce meat over the past years. so i ate huge meat meals 3or5 times per month. now I have 150g of meat almost every day. 2or3 eggs almost every day, and 150g fish 3 per week. I ate a fair amount of meat almost everyday for most of my adult life...quite a lot actualy:)
-"150g of meat almost every day. 2or3 eggs almost every day, and 150g fish 3 per week"...honestly, I don't get to eat so much according to the plan everyday! I'm ok with it because I do balance off with the friday drinks/dinner with my friends or huge saturday lunch with my parents
- there is no menu for Sundays...lol, my wife says I shouldn't eat on sundays, I say I can eat what I want on sundays ;) ;) so Sundays is now my only take-out day...well, there are those days when I'm in the office and someone buys dinner when we are there till late

I ate most of a medium pizza the other day and really struggled with bloating and acid reflux, we suspect it was the dough in the thick base. my dietician says to make pizzas at home, using the roti's as a base.

Hope this helps some else too. I really benefited from the discussion here, and the dietician is taking me to the next level.
You might get some benefit out of this. And it will que up a bunch of his other stuff on the topic.

 
You might get some benefit out of this. And it will que up a bunch of his other stuff on the topic.


Yes, this is exactly my experience over the past 6 months. Chapter 4.) Best Practices is more or less my summary . My diet is geared to losing fat. I'm currently "technically" getting stronger, and "noticeably" losing fat. I can see my abdomen getting smaller, my wife still disagrees :)
 
I had to go into a client site to meet the Chiefs. Put on my suite and my wife finally noticed the shrinkage :) :) :)

The scale showed 82.9 on Tuesday, and now swinging between 83 and 83.5. I'll dominate <82.9kg in the next few days...definitely if I stay on track and do my usual Sunday slow run (and Sunday feasting included!) My stomach is still shaped like an apple (DamneD meDical steroiDs), but I'm getting twoards my stated goals: fat-loss and muscle gain(I can see it in certain places) and increasing strength.
 
Okay back at it. Trying to figure out whether to do just a basic dumbbell workout 3 days a week (push, pull, legs) vs a KB program to get leaner from here. I just ran a 4 week program and am looking for my next move. Thoughts?
 
Okay back at it. Trying to figure out whether to do just a basic dumbbell workout 3 days a week (push, pull, legs) vs a KB program to get leaner from here. I just ran a 4 week program and am looking for my next move. Thoughts?
I should add the program I was on was a DB program and I had my diet right so lost about a pound a week. I could just stay on it too since it’s working.
 
my research (and I'm not the expert) and my anecdote story (I am the expert of my story) is that:
1. for fat loss, just move around as much as you can! get moving, continue moving. in the long run, building muscle definitely helps the fat-burn, but it does take time and effort to build muscle, so prioritize1 over the other (lose fat is my primary choice for several months and I am making muscle/strength gains.)
2. losing a pound a week on average is an absolute healthy way to do it
3. there are programs out there which look awesome! @Geoff Neupert uploaded a fat burner youtube video recently.
4. no gains without appropriate diet. I mentioned the diet changes which worked for me in my previous LOOOONG post in this thread.

in your case: you were already losing a pound per week. You know and are capable of executing exactly what your body needs. I personally find it difficult to stay on a strict program, you may be the same/different. Your program is working for you, so theoretically, you should stay on it until you reach your goal or you plateu for a few weeks without making changes in your diet, training, rest. Or you could switch to a program which provides a similar level of effort (movement!) until/if you plateu.
 
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I’ve never done Dry Fighting weight. My 5RM is 18 kg and I’m waiting for my second bell to come in. I guess I could start it with 2x16s. I have 2x20s but would need to push press them after the first rep I think.
 
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