johnsgroto91
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So as a sum up, zone 2 can be incorporated into the same training session as axe? I've 20/30 min axe then 60 min run?
Kettlebell Kettlebell AXE - general discussion
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Ideally you would do it on another day.
2-3 AXE sessions
1-2 Zone 2 sessions
1-3 Strength sessions or something else
johnsgroto91
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Yes thank you! This is how I've understood it from Pavel's first couple of answers and the book.
WhomtheBellTolls
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In Kettlebell Axe Pavel uses only Jerks as an axe. Which makes me wonder is KBSF LCCJs Metal Heart?
Nope. At least not the way it's programmed in Kettlebells StrongFirst (A+A).
Metal Heart would require more reps or longer work sets and shorter rest breaks. Most likely using 30/30 intervals and similar protocols.
Remember, it qualifies as "serious cardio."
It's the type of training I was using with myself and my coaching clients from 2010-2020ish and especially when I competed in obstacle course races (2011-2017).
I used a lot of 30/30, 20/40, and 40/20 interval circuits.
WhomtheBellTolls
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When I’m doing 3rxE30sx30mins
where could I learn more about Metal Heart from?
Bauer
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Pavel has defined KBSF LCCJ as AXE in this very thread. I asked him a similar question and here is his answer:
So I think you could say that hte last phases shift KBSF a little towards Metal Heart, although primarily being more AXE.
He then confirmed 060 and Snatch Walking as Metal Heart protocols (both available in Speed Metal).
You can learn more about it at Strong Endurance, maybe at All Terrain Conditioning, and somewhere in the future via the book.
Antti
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"Metal heart" is also a song by Dimmu Borgir, although not one of their better ones and will only be of any theoretical value to your AXE training if you like listening to that kind of metal music.
To be clear, Metal Heart is an album and a song on the album by Accept, which I understand is one the author's favorite bands. The Dimmu Borgir track is a cover, and a good one.
james_1127
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Search the site on here for snatch walking, 060, & step up protocol
Those 3 are probably at the center of "metal heart" ....
As mentioned above, Strong Endurance seminar, All-Terrain Conditioning seminar, and Pavel's upcoming book (it will be a while).
Most recent article using Step-ups:
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After reading kettlebell Axe, I started to apply it with my athletes.
Here is my question.
For athletes who need to jump explosively like volleyball players, can we combine kb swing with explosive box jump alternatively or just focus on swing or box jump?
Thank you for your feedback in advance.
Here is my question.
For athletes who need to jump explosively like volleyball players, can we combine kb swing with explosive box jump alternatively or just focus on swing or box jump?
Thank you for your feedback in advance.
Red_and_Black
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Genuine question; why would you mix the 2 and not just do AXE and then a different power/explosive session another time? Isn't it trying to do too much in one go?
Bauer
Level 8 Valued Member
I would alternate AXE sessions with Swings and Jerks, and then reevaluate after 6 weeks, if this setup seems to make a difference.
I would encourage the athletic hip hinge for this:
An Explanation of the Athletic Hip Hinge | StrongFirst
The athletic hip hinge is without a doubt the biggest bang for the buck you can get in the athletic world: strength, power, resilience, health, corrective.
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The deep hinge of the Swing and the narrow squat of the Jerk should contribute to the way jumping motions are expressed in volleyball, I would think.
If this does not work, you could try a more specific approach, but this would probably require a slightly different programming approach.
rwleonard
Level 7 Valued Member
From my reading of the book, Verkhoshansky and Selouyanov used drills like jump squats, split jump squats, and "dead-start pushups followed bya bellyflop." Swings not so much.
Noticed a couple of comments from others on this from Layne Norton post related to Pavel and AXE:
"This backs up what Pavel and Marty Gallagher wrote about 24 years ago."
"seems very similar to Pavel’s work and his new axe work out"
"This backs up what Pavel and Marty Gallagher wrote about 24 years ago."
"seems very similar to Pavel’s work and his new axe work out"
Louka's YouTube is a kettlebell goldmine, both in terms of programs and teaching videos.
Pete L
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Is he endorsed by StrongFirst?
I enjoy hearing him explain books I have bought and paid for however I sometimes wonder if he goes too far in disclosing the content.
I enjoy reading and will happily pay for good books but I wonder if there are folks taking advantage and not helping the original authors.
Matt_lux
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I was thinking the same thing.