Question When do swing and TGU weights even out?

Discussion in 'Simple and Sinister FAQ Questions' started by Morgan76, May 30, 2017.

  1. Morgan76

    Morgan76 Double-Digit Post Count

    Hi fellows,

    I am currently doing 20kg swings (2 hands) and 16kg TGUs.

    As per the goals (simple/sinister), when should one expect these weights to even out? For example, the 'simple' goal (men) is 32kg for both swings and TGUs. Would the TGU 'catch up' with the swings as one nears this goal? Or is it highly individual?

    (NB I am fortunate to go to a gym 2 or 3 times a week that has a range of KBs so when doing my TGUs can easily sub a 20kg KB for one rep, for example. Guess this would help with the catch up?)

    Thank you,

  2. Antti

    Antti More than 2500 posts

    I don't see them necessarily ever evening out between each other. Ultimately it is down to individual characteristics, but in general the hip hinge movement is a strong one among different builds while heavier characters find the upper body strength easier to come by than lighter ones.
  3. Anna C

    Anna C More than 5000 posts Elite Certified Instructor

    I agree, no need to think about evening out. It is highly individual, and I think it has more to do with technique than anything else. Just try to get the most out of whatever weight you are using. Practice tension... practice good movement and technique... practice hardstyle. You will get stronger at both.
  4. Morgan76

    Morgan76 Double-Digit Post Count

    Thank you both!

    So if I was able to go up to 20kg on the TGU while still finding one-handed swings at 20 a bit of a challenge, this is nothing to worry about?!

    FYI I am careful to review my form regularly and am not trying to rush anything
  5. Antti

    Antti More than 2500 posts

    It is absolutely nothing to worry about. Sounds like you're on the right track.
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  6. Morgan76

    Morgan76 Double-Digit Post Count

    Thanks for your time / help :)
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  7. Jan

    Jan More than 500 posts

    @Morgan76 : Welcome to the forum :)
    I agree with what has been said above: no need to worry about the weight differences. Just keep swinging and TGU-ing away :)
  8. LejonBrames

    LejonBrames Triple-Digit Post Count

    I worked up from the shoe get-ups to 15lb, to 25lb, and now 35lb, which I've been doing for a good amount if time. I grabbed the 24k to do a roll to elbow recently, and holy s***... I don't know how I'm ever going to do get ups with that thing....
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  9. Jan

    Jan More than 500 posts

    Through patience :) and lots of practice of course.
  10. Brent

    Brent Double-Digit Post Count Certified Instructor

    I have found that my swing weight is higher than what i can TGU and has always been ahead. Your grip will get strong fast, faster than your wrist. (my wrist sustained pain and injury once the weight got 40kg and up for TGU so i have to go down in weight and fix my wrist/grip to have more gooseneck. For me now the bell sits essentially all on the radius which is the stronger bone that is meant to bear weight in our upper extremities. My ulna was sharing the weight and i began to have ulnar carpal joint pain to the point i could not turn or use my hand after just one heavy set with the 40kg eventhough i had been practicing with the 40!for months with very mild pain i thought was normal given the weight!).
  11. Steve Freides

    Steve Freides Forum Administrator Senior Certified Instructor

    I am currently doing 2-hand swings with a 44 kg and getups with a 4, 6, or 8 kg. There is no reason at all they must be the same - they're two different lifts.

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  12. Chrisdavisjr

    Chrisdavisjr Quadruple-Digit Post Count

    It's taken me months for my swing weight to catch up to my get-up weight. The hard part for me was nailing the grip technique to swing a heavier bell (32kg, for me; about 50% of my bodyweight). Somehow, once I'd figured out how to position myself properly at the start, 32kg get-ups became surprisingly easy.
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  13. guardian7

    guardian7 More than 500 posts

    I used dumbells in the beginning and between bell stages. Given the low volume of TGU practice, it is harder to jump up in bell sizes than swings or even presses. The jumps in KB size may be too great for TGUs if you have a limited set of bells. 16 to 24 is a big jump for TGUs or even presses. Partials are a good strategy though to dial in form though, even if you can handle the weight. Regardless, it is a slow process as mentioned.

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  14. Chrisdavisjr

    Chrisdavisjr Quadruple-Digit Post Count

    Definitely a good tip. I was using 18-22kg dumbbells for get-ups while I was still learning the movement. My 16kg kettlebell was too light for me to really 'feel' the movement properly and I was just 'muscling' my way through it with no real technique but the 24kg would just crush me like a bug whenever I used it for get-ups.
    Bridging the gap (which, between 16 and 24kg, represents a 50% weight increase!) at that stage was critical in my figuring out the feel of the movement. Once I'd moved up to the 24kg, my alignment was considerably better but it wasn't until I started working on the 32kg bell that I really got my form locked-down. The heavier you go, the better your technique needs to be: You can't really 'cheat' a heavy get-up.
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  15. cdaven

    cdaven Second Post

    This is an old post, but here goes...

    To me, progression with TGU has been much quicker than the swing. It's two completely different exercises, and even when I took a break from S&S for maybe 1-2 months, I had lost very little in the TGU, but a lot in swing (endurance).

    Again to me, I feel that the TGU benefits more from rest days than the swings, and I don't have to do them more than once or twice a week to improve. But that may change as I progress to the 32 kg, who knows.
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  16. Steve Freides

    Steve Freides Forum Administrator Senior Certified Instructor

    @cdaven, welcome to the StrongFirst forum.

  17. Molson

    Molson Double-Digit Post Count

    I also belong to the group that progresses faster with TGU, even though I’m not a heavy guy. But maybe that is because I always enjoyed the get-up more.

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