S&S 2.0 out now on kindle

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  1. Bauer

    Bauer More than 500 posts

    Btw: The pictures of Pavel showing how to swing can be viewed with additional illustrations and in color at menshealth:
    How to Do the Kettlebell Swing | Men's Health
     
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  2. Tim Randolph

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    The new edition is printed more nicely and the photos have higher contrast and color accuracy now. It’s still black-on-black but a ton better than v1.
     
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  3. MikeTheBear

    MikeTheBear More than 500 posts

    Just browsed the Kindle sample. I like how Pavel had bestowed upon @Anna C the moniker "Sinister Anna." I generally don't buy 2d editions since it's more of the same but I'll likely get this one for the new stories.
     
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  4. guardian7

    guardian7 More than 500 posts

    A review lists some differences: This new revised edition simplifies and clarifies a few things that are not obvious to new trainees. The revised training plan also looks promising and reflects my experience working SaS.
     
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  5. Nacho

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    I have been kind of stuck with chasing the time standard for the swings with a 24kg bell. Even though I actually tested only 1-2 times a month (usually needing 6-7 mins to complete 100 swings with a decent form), I have probably rushed my swings on average and chased the clock.

    Now I have two sessions of crisp and powerful swings behind me with making sure I pass the talk test before every set.

    Im very excited about the new learnings and progression from S&S 2.0 and I dont know if its just a coincidence but I have slept like a baby on both nights after these sessions.
     
  6. guardian7

    guardian7 More than 500 posts

    Do you mean that there the basic program has changed? Or how you should measure progress has changed?
     
  7. Sean M

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    You now work up to 32kg for work weight at talk-test intervals (no compression of rest intervals). Makes the swings more like A+A.

    After reaching that level, you can train once a week for the time standards but with the -8kg bell, so 2-3 sessions a week with 32kg at talk-test and then Friday pushing it a bit with 24kg.

    Or you can do the swings and getups at 32kg twice a week (talk-test) and then anything else with your remaining time - barbell, endurance, or just life.
     
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  8. Molson

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    Bought it and gave it a first read. I love the way it had been fine tuned and that so much knowledge established post the first edition had been brought into the second.

    It’s clear that after all the first version took it too far in terms of purity of programming and progression, timed sessions etc. Now all the intuitive stuff that so many people reported is included.

    Being 11 months into the program and owning Timless Simple, but not timed Simple I’m almost heart broken that it’s now recommended to take a detour before taking it further to Sinister ;). But it all makes sense.


    I wish that some day ETK gets rewritten as S&S.
     
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  9. wespom9

    wespom9 More than 500 posts Certified Instructor

    @ohnbye I may be 30 but I'm an old soul...I need a hard copy of a book.
     
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  10. wespom9

    wespom9 More than 500 posts Certified Instructor

    @Molson Updates of the the old books would be pretty darn cool, but I doubt it - seeing as they are still sold by DragonDoor I don't imagine SF/Pavel has the rights to it. Someone in management can correct me if I'm wrong here.
     
  11. Molson

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    Yeah, it’s more a naive wish on my side. That said, as far as SF would not have the rights to rewrite the book, I wonder how much this applies to the program itself. All that needs is some revised guidelines to the snatch part of the program in my opinion. Still, let’s enjoy the new S@S for now!
     
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  12. Sean M

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    With S&S 2.0, you can practice swings and getups at 32kg two days a week and have plenty of time to do the C&P ladders (and optional pull-ups) and snatch practice (e.g. snatch instead of swing on the Friday “Do or Die” session).
     
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  13. Juri

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    Apologies if I'm asking in the wrong thread, but is there any information about a paperback release in the EU? The original took over two months to arrive from the States and while the wait would ultimately be fine I'd like to know my options.

    Thanks!
     
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  14. Molson

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    True. This seems to be a natural progression now from simple to simple maintenance+ROP. The point I was trying to make that as far as the press part of ROP had proven to be bulletproof, most people report that the snatch is merely a practice which sets a baseline for further work based on another program. I’m wondering if there is a way of making ROP more balanced for developing both lifts as S&S is for swing and tgu.
     
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  15. rwleonard

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    I like 2.0, I have always noticed a much bigger bang for my buck at bjj by moving up a bell than by compressing the rest periods. Strong first and all.
     
  16. guardian7

    guardian7 More than 500 posts

    Makes sense. A great program even better! Going heavier and not worrying about the rest makes even more sense for the getups.
     
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  17. MikeTheBear

    MikeTheBear More than 500 posts

    Wnt ahead and bought the Kindle version. I really like the fact that Pavel added information about anti-glycolitic training. I am enjoying reading the new version.
     
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  18. nish1013

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    seems like not in the UK Kindle store yet :(
     
  19. Valentijn

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  20. Juri

    Juri Double-Digit Post Count

    Don't know if it's related to your location or not but it shows available for me (I'm not in the UK); you could also try Amazon.de.
     

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