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The resistance is futile - it's all in the quote in your signature ;-)Stop tempting me.....
One of you needs to grow a mustache.You mean @Pavel T. - I am just his grateful student and (as he likes to say) his "stunt double"
Don't worry much about it and use the talk test. You can use HR to make sure you are recovered enough... for example, starting each set when HR has returned to 110.First, @Pavel Macek and @Justyna Mackova Thank You for the great course! Having your video instruction to go along with @Pavel 's book is already and tremendously helpful tool.
I do have a question concerning using the Talk Test vs a Heart Rate Monitor.
I organically reached the Timed goal, but only with a 24kg KB, a couple years ago then life circumstances and (non training) injuries derailed progression. I decided a couple months ago (before the announcement of your course) it was time to refocus and start moving towards Timed Simple. I bought, and more importantly read, the 2nd version of Simple & Sinister and started digging through StrongFirst articles on S&S. In doing so I came across @Al Ciampa 's article: Simple & Sinister + Heart Rate Training | StrongFirst
Since coming from an Endurance background I was familiar with the MAF method and curious to try it out with my S&S training. Which I did immediately, but with a small caveats.
According to the article we use the base of 180 - Age + 5 to get our max HR "allowed" in our training session. Let's call it SF-MAF. This makes my SF-MAF 136 BPM. But according to Phil Maffetone there are a couple other factors to consider such as recovering from illness or injury, regular medication, etc that can also effect your MAF (article: The MAF 180 Formula: Heart-rate monitoring for real aerobic training. ). So according to this adjusted formula I would have a MAF of 121 not 131, making my SF-MAF 126, not 136.
After a few training sessions I was able to find where I needed to get my HR down to before starting another set of Swings and all was well except I disliked, as in VERY MUCH disliked, having to keep an eye on my HR. It felt reminiscent of keeping an eye on the clock - it takes me "out of my session". So after watching the course I decided to use the Talk Test while keeping track of HR with a monitor, just not staring at it.
After analyzing a couple weeks of just using the Talk Test while performing my sessions I found that my max HR would hit right around 136, sometimes a couple beats above but never drastic. But it hasn't come anywhere near my 'strict' SF-MAF prescription of 126.
So I guess my question is do you feel keeping with the Talk Test is detrimental to mitochondrial development since I am spiking my HR out of the 'strict' MAF zone?
Thanks for any insight, and again thank you for the great course!
Do we really need an "evil twin Pavel"?One of you needs to grow a mustache.
@ClaudeR - I completely agree that context is everything. Can you point me in the direction on info / articles concerning the difference in steady state aerobic training vs A+A / S&S?BTW Phil Maffetone set up his formula in the context of (very) long steady state endurance training, which is distinctly different from what A+A or S&S are prescribing
As @Al Ciampa sais, know your context
@Bauer that’s pretty much the route I’m rolling with but figured I might as well start using this forum and it’s resources to solidify some thought processes.Don't worry much about it and use the talk test. You can use HR to make sure you are recovered enough... for example, starting each set when HR has returned to 110.
Let hr spike where it spikes. I used the hr for years to guide my starting point. Usually 100 - 110 bpm. It never failed me and never felt distracted.First, @Pavel Macek and @Justyna Mackova Thank You for the great course! Having your video instruction to go along with @Pavel 's book is already and tremendously helpful tool.
I do have a question concerning using the Talk Test vs a Heart Rate Monitor.
I organically reached the Timed goal, but only with a 24kg KB, a couple years ago then life circumstances and (non training) injuries derailed progression. I decided a couple months ago (before the announcement of your course) it was time to refocus and start moving towards Timed Simple. I bought, and more importantly read, the 2nd version of Simple & Sinister and started digging through StrongFirst articles on S&S. In doing so I came across @Al Ciampa 's article: Simple & Sinister + Heart Rate Training | StrongFirst
Since coming from an Endurance background I was familiar with the MAF method and curious to try it out with my S&S training. Which I did immediately, but with a small caveats.
According to the article we use the base of 180 - Age + 5 to get our max HR "allowed" in our training session. Let's call it SF-MAF. This makes my SF-MAF 136 BPM. But according to Phil Maffetone there are a couple other factors to consider such as recovering from illness or injury, regular medication, etc that can also effect your MAF (article: The MAF 180 Formula: Heart-rate monitoring for real aerobic training. ). So according to this adjusted formula I would have a MAF of 121 not 131, making my SF-MAF 126, not 136.
After a few training sessions I was able to find where I needed to get my HR down to before starting another set of Swings and all was well except I disliked, as in VERY MUCH disliked, having to keep an eye on my HR. It felt reminiscent of keeping an eye on the clock - it takes me "out of my session". So after watching the course I decided to use the Talk Test while keeping track of HR with a monitor, just not staring at it.
After analyzing a couple weeks of just using the Talk Test while performing my sessions I found that my max HR would hit right around 136, sometimes a couple beats above but never drastic. But it hasn't come anywhere near my 'strict' SF-MAF prescription of 126.
So I guess my question is do you feel keeping with the Talk Test is detrimental to mitochondrial development since I am spiking my HR out of the 'strict' MAF zone?
Thanks for any insight, and again thank you for the great course!
The free sample lesson on KB Dead Lifts speak for the quality and the usefulness.I have recently returned to S&S as my primary training program and found the online program helpful.
I Recommend it anyone looking for a deeper dive into the S&S program.
Thank you!The free sample lesson on KB Dead Lifts speak for the quality and the usefulness.
Without revealing what those programming options are, is it possible to elaborate more? Are we talking about a progression that is different than step loading for swings and/or TGUs to reach timeless simple?I just picked up the course. This is really well made and offers some other programming options that make a lot of sense to me.